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Re:The Blue Hole in the Red Sea is the deadliest dive site i... by christophilus on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @07:27AM (#26954508)
One of my (very experienced) alpine hiking instructors died after a long day summiting Rainer. His team made a rookie mistake, but it’s surprisingly easy to do when you’re exhausted and you feel as if you’re nearly done with the worst of it.
Re:The Blue Hole in the Red Sea is the deadliest dive site i... by hutzlibu on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @07:30AM (#26954527)
I was told, most of the climbing accidents happens in easy terrain. When also experienced people get careless.

My experience matches that.

Re:The Blue Hole in the Red Sea is the deadliest dive site i... by marcyb5st on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @07:57AM (#26954723)
Not sure if you are still focusing on alpine hiking or climbing.

While climbing most deadly accidents (30+% of them [1]) happen because people rappel through the end of the rope (or ropes if using half/twin ropes). Stopper knots are a 10s precaution that is often overlooked.

However, it is true that on easier climbing routes it is easier to hurt yourself because you might hit a ledge on your way down. If that happens it's most likely the belayer's fault because he/she should keep "a tight leash" on the sections just above said ledges. If you let an unexperienced person belay you I assume you evaluated the risk and are ok with that.

[1] https://www.ukclimbing.com/articles/skills/8_common_climbing...

Re:The Blue Hole in the Red Sea is the deadliest dive site i... by nix23 on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @07:37AM (#26954576)
Another point is you get much more injuries when the wall is not steep (you slide along, instead of falling in free-air), another are stones if the wall is not steep they roll along the wall. That's a perfect example off misjudge objective and subjective dangers. An overhanging wall is much less dangerous then anything else, but your brain tells something else.
Re:The Blue Hole in the Red Sea is the deadliest dive site i... by darkerside on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @07:58AM (#26954735)
I'd generally trade more little injuries sliding down a shallow wall for one big injury from a free fall.
Re:The Blue Hole in the Red Sea is the deadliest dive site i... by nix23 on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @09:44AM (#26955708)
For that you have a rope, that's the objective part...you would not climb (i hope) an overhanging wall.

>little injuries sliding down a shallow wall

Those are often not "little" the rocks rip you apart, and when you stop you look not human anymore (a bag of flesh)...happens often at glaciers too.

Re:The Blue Hole in the Red Sea is the deadliest dive site i... by hutzlibu on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @12:00PM (#26957716)
Oh, but in the alps there are ways with a metal ladder, where you indeed "walk" a overhanging way, without rope.

Not for everyone obviously.

Re:The Blue Hole in the Red Sea is the deadliest dive site i... by nix23 on Wednesday April 28, 2021 @04:28PM (#26973776)
You have steelropes or hooks there too and a via ferrata set with a shock-absorber and a helmet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_ferrata

And if without securing...even a bigger objective danger for you to decide if you can do it, that's the point.

Re:The Blue Hole in the Red Sea is the deadliest dive site i... by iudqnolq on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @07:30AM (#26954537)
I'm sorry to hear that. I wasn't try to claim alpine hiking is totally safe. Just that there is less of an issue with guides taking inexperienced people beyond their competency.