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Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by rasz on Sunday April 18, 2021 @04:21AM (#26850759)
$15 internet, $2000 rent, checks out.
Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by dang on Sunday April 18, 2021 @07:19PM (#26857484)
Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN. It causes nose dives in thread quality.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by free652 on Sunday April 18, 2021 @05:34AM (#26851069)
$15 internet, $200 rent due to section 8.
Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by southerntofu on Sunday April 18, 2021 @05:05AM (#26850937)
They both suffer from the same problem, of being treated as a private market and not as common/public goods. Housing and Internet should be free for everyone, just like food/healthcare/education...
Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by Dma54rhs on Sunday April 18, 2021 @05:35AM (#26851077)
Is this really mainstream thinking now in America? None of those things are free in Europe and I've yet to find people promoting these insane ideas here, while at least online I can read about these mysterious things Europeans get free for or have.
Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by kaba0 on Sunday April 18, 2021 @05:44AM (#26851112)
I don’t think they are mainstream, but education and healthcare is absolutely free in most of Europe, and I think it is not that controversial of a take that everyone has to live somewhere, so some form of social net/not letting arbitrarily increasing rent would be beneficial to society.
Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by EdwinLarkin on Sunday April 18, 2021 @05:57AM (#26851156)
That's such a ridiculous take on it.Have you actually used that "free healthcare in Europe"? It sucks ass.

I get better healthcare in South Korea that is both cheaper and more effective than in Germany or Austria.

Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by sldksk on Sunday April 18, 2021 @06:22AM (#26851265)
On many accounts, it is better than most paid healthcare in the US and it’s objectively better than no healthcare at all, which is what many US residents are left with. But most importantly even the paid healthcare in Europe depends on the infrastructure and industry upheld by the free healthcare.
Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by anoncake on Sunday April 18, 2021 @06:03AM (#26851187)
If you got healthcare that's cheaper than free, you probably donated a kidney.
Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by kaba0 on Sunday April 18, 2021 @06:53AM (#26851413)
Yes, I live here. Have YOU used it? Some poorer countries in Europe may have worse healthcare, but it usually has more to do with corrupt government not spending enough on it (but instead on fking stadiums...), and the much much better paycheck on the west (that is west Europe) causing massive migration of educated workforce throughout the years.

What objective problem can you bring up? Wait time is propaganda, not worse than in the US. Private healthcare is simply immoral and barbaric, a constant, externally determined demand for something should not be exploited. And one nation level insurance is the cheapest and best way for everyone (other than the billionaires owning private healthcare facilities and insurances)

Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by EdwinLarkin on Sunday April 18, 2021 @08:51AM (#26851972)
You live here? So do I. Wait time is not propaganda.It's real. I can get any type of healthcare service in SK without even thinking about it.

>Private healthcare is simply immoral and barbaric, a constant, externally determined demand for something should not be exploited.

Except you are talking worst case scenario "The US".SK's healthcare is not completely private owned.Quite the opposite actually.

And yet...it's both cheaper and much more efficient than anything in Europe.

Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by southerntofu on Sunday April 18, 2021 @05:44AM (#26851110)
So is anticapitalism becoming mainstream in the USA? I would say yes, more or less: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/28/poll-sponsored-... Also, historically these ideas were pretty common in the USA, with anarchist IWW being the biggest union of its time.

And what you call "these insane ideas" is actually following articles the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as approved after the second World War. Do you consider basic human rights to be insane?

Also worth noting, most things are not "for free" in Europe. The little rights we have our ancestors fought hard for, and they are being dismantled as we speak in the name of neoliberalism. Not so long ago France had one of the best Education and Health systems of the world, but that ship has sailed because of the desire to privatize everything and sabotage public infrastructure in the name of private profit. See also David Graeber's talk on managerial feudalism and the revolt of the caring classes: https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-11241-from_managerial_feudalism_...

Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by sldksk on Sunday April 18, 2021 @06:27AM (#26851285)
American communists are responsible for approximately all of the labor protections Americans have left. 40 hour work week, fire exits, minimum wage, child labor act, and the list goes on...
Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by BurningFrog on Sunday April 18, 2021 @11:30AM (#26853315)
Stalin was a co-author of the UN human rights declaration. It's a political document, not some ultimate enlightened truth.
Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by anoncake on Sunday April 18, 2021 @06:05AM (#26851193)
How would you distribute free food without encouraging excessive waste?
Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by southerntofu on Sunday April 18, 2021 @06:33AM (#26851321)
Very good question. Where does waste come from? There's individual waste ("i bought too much cheese") and there's mutualized waste ("the supermarket is throwing away 20-40% of what comes in").

The former is incentivized by individual lifestyles. In a capitalist system, everyone needs their own fridge and food. You need to be pretty rich to employ other people to cook for you (go to the restaurant), or cook for yourself which requires more infrastructure (therefore more pollution). Maybe popular canteens would help? https://dinnerdocument.com/2019/04/30/i-dream-of-canteens/

About mutualized waste, some loss is due to food traveling incredible lengths to reach supermarkets. Strongly incentivizing local production could help for that.

The biggest waste generation machine is competition between supermarkets. All supermarkets need all of their alleys full of food. If supermarkets were a public service (without competition), they wouldn't need to overflow with food that will end up in the trash. If you have never worked in a supermarket, you'll be SHOCKED by the amount of meat and dairy products ending up in the trash every week.

Third kind of mutualized trash is due to financial incentives. When markets decide that your product is worthless, you'll just throw it away. The fact that capitalism even makes "negative prices" possible is fucked up. When producers destroy TONS of food/milk because selling it would make them loose even more money, how is that even a thing?

So there's plenty of room for improvement on food waste, and all of them have more or less to do with abolishing the capitalist system.

Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by sumedh on Sunday April 18, 2021 @05:51AM (#26851139)
> Housing and Internet should be free for everyone, just like food/healthcare/education...

How about having some realistic expectations?

Re:Cuomo and Schmidt push to cap price of internet to $15 fo... by southerntofu on Sunday April 18, 2021 @05:59AM (#26851163)
Those are pretty realistic expectations. In that list, only Internet is slightly more complex because it requires multinational supply chains. The rest (housing, food, healthcare, education) can and should be free for everyone, ensured by locally-sourced materials.

As a society, we definitely can do it. The question is do we want to? Unless, of course, you have some compelling argument explaining why we couldn't have all these nice things despite having an abundance of resources.