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Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by lotsofpulp on Friday April 16, 2021 @06:46AM (#26832193)
Yes, so the issue is not just selling your own products in your own marketplace.

> This is why it's different between Amazon and Home Depot, they hold different amount of the market, so even if Home Depot wanted to exploit their position, they probably couldn't.

I would say Home Depot has far more control of their markets than Amazon does. Pick any smaller metro, and the only consumer building materials store around is Home Depot or Lowes. The two basically split up all the markets, and if there’s not enough business to sustain both, then there will be just one. But no other store will be able to compete.

If you’re a manufacturer and you can’t convince Home Depot or Lowes to stock your item in their store, then you’re not going to reach 90% of people via in store attention (for home improvement stuff).

Almost all big box store brands have whittled down to two viable options, or even one in the case of Best Buy. Although, I think that might be the natural state of things given how low profit margins are for retail (low single digit percentages).

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by atdrummond on Friday April 16, 2021 @06:51AM (#26832238)
I’m from a rural county in Illinois and our largest city has Lowes, HD, Menards, Ace, Farm and Home Supply and a number of specialty stores. There’s considerably more competition in Home Depot’s field.
Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by lotsofpulp on Friday April 16, 2021 @07:04AM (#26832345)
I forgot about Ace, but searching on Maps shows there’s still a few around! I wonder if they are franchised. I only recall seeing HD and Lowes on the coasts though.
Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by sgerenser on Friday April 16, 2021 @07:38AM (#26832628)
Most Ace Hardware stores are franchises. There’s 5000 of them in the US.
Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by ericmay on Friday April 16, 2021 @07:04AM (#26832346)
How is it more competition? You’ll visit at most what 2 of those stores looking for a product?

I can use plugins in a web browser to effectively visit 100 stores to shop for the best price on an item. Amazon is just another vendor.

-edit-

To add to this. If you want to compare to Amazon then you have to look at the market share and revenue of those stores too. Not simply their existence. It doesn't matter if an ACE hardware is in the area if it is 3% of the market.

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by capableweb on Friday April 16, 2021 @07:06AM (#26832373)
> I can use plugins in a web browser to effectively visit 100 stores to shop for the best price on an item. Amazon is just another vendor.

Sure you could, but is that how most users use the web? According to Statista (2019 - https://www.statista.com/statistics/955796/global-amazon-e-c...) [same link I put before], over 50% of the market is just Amazon, even though it's soooo easy to chose another one.

Since they now have a grip of the majority of the market, they should be having lots of eyes on them, as they can easily abuse their position, which most of us don't want to them to do.

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by zepto on Friday April 16, 2021 @10:48AM (#26834558)
> Sure you could, but is that how most users use the web?

It’s not clear what the point is here.

> According to Statista (2019 - https://www.statista.com/statistics/955796/global-amazon-e-c...) [same link I put before], over 50% of the market is just Amazon, even though it's soooo easy to chose another one.

Could it be that people choose Amazon because despite its faults it provides the best service?

I dislike Amazon and try to avoid them wherever possible, but in practice I probably use them 50% of the time, because in those instances there isn’t a better alternative.

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by jjk166 on Friday April 16, 2021 @11:09AM (#26834822)
It doesn't matter what percentage of people choose an option so long as competing options are readily available. The fact is Amazon can't abuse it's position and raise prices dramatically or severely reduce service or otherwise take advantage of a captive market because the market is not captive.
Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by ericmay on Friday April 16, 2021 @07:37AM (#26832627)
I can’t view the link without paying unless you are simply showing that Amazon has 13% of the global e-commerce market and 50%~ of the U.S. market.

To answer your question - it doesn’t matter. We don’t determine monopolies simply because of market share. If we did, why aren’t we filing another anti-trust investigation against Microsoft and Windows?

The point anyway is that people have no switching cost. Amazon faces stiff competition not just in America but globally. I remain unconvinced that they have a monopoly on e-commerce. Sure they may have take some monopolistic actions which could be addressed, but that’s not enough for me to demonstrate that they are a monopoly.

Frankly, I think Amazon has really been struggling. Prime sucks. 2-day shipping is slipping not just in service but as new competitors enter the market. It’s a fierce competition.

Google and Facebook on the other hand are monopolies. That’s a no-brainer.

Apple I’m not sure how they’ve even been in the discussion.

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by simion314 on Friday April 16, 2021 @09:34AM (#26833666)
>Apple I’m not sure how they’ve even been in the discussion

Remember that Apple and Google pulled a legal app from their stores, regular Apple users (like 50% of US) can't install stuff on their device without Apple parental approval and the "make it a website argument also fails because Apple is does not let you install a better browser".

50% still affects a lot of people, though Apple fanboys will attempt to say is not a big enough number (remember you could install other browsers and whatever application you wanted on Windows without a Microsoft approval or tax).

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by ericmay on Friday April 16, 2021 @10:01AM (#26833970)
Depends on how you look at it. Are we comparing operating systems? Then we have a duopoly and should regulated Android as well. Are we comparing phone manufacturers? Well, there's a ton of them, Apple just competes and does the best.

> Apple and Google pulled a legal app from their stores

I can't sell anything I want at Wal-Mart. Doesn't PayPal not allow porn sites to do business? I don't see how this is different.

> Windows without a Microsoft approval or tax

So is it market share or what? What exactly is the monopoly? Microsoft doesn't allow me to play PlayStation games on Xbox. Most computers are sold with Windows operating systems. I don't know what the monopoly is supposed to be with Apple.

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by simion314 on Friday April 16, 2021 @11:46AM (#26835334)
- consoles, I am against their locking too , there is less complains about them so far since people can jailbreak them and their mostly media/enterteiment devices, but again I don't agree with the locks on consoles either

- monopoly, duopoly is not that important, you can have 3 big actors in a market that are cooperating against the users for their own interests, so the market share is irrelevant and the abuse/damage is relevant. Is Apple not allowing say 10 million users to install some app because of political reasons or 50 million users to install a game because some other policy reason? This people were affected , for example Joe did not know when he bought his iPhone that Apple can block his favorite game , or some app , is friend Bob has Android and he side loaded it, Joe is pissed now and feels tricked because on the box it was not printed that Apple can abuse his trust like this.

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by jjk166 on Friday April 16, 2021 @11:12AM (#26834863)
> "make it a website argument also fails because Apple is does not let you install a better browser".

I'm currently on chrome on my iphone. Maybe you can't install arbitrary browsers, but you can certainly install different ones. And there's always jailbreaking.

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by simion314 on Friday April 16, 2021 @11:38AM (#26835219)
Chrome is a bit more then a skin and you know it and I am sure you can't expect to trick competent people with this argument. If iOS would implement PWA then some native applications could be implemented as as PWA and Apple would lose money(I don't believe the security or privacy excuse either, a PWA will always have less access then a native app)
Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by jjk166 on Friday April 16, 2021 @12:18PM (#26835811)
PWA are supported by iOS
Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by simion314 on Friday April 16, 2021 @12:53PM (#26836285)
Is this "Safari the new IE" just a meme https://www.safari-is-the-new-ie.com

I will have to let someone else to continue this since I don't own a iOS device and at work we don't target mobile.

Though I had to fix soem iOS issue sin a third party plugin, it was using some WebGl and it was broken on iOS, so the plugin was using a software(slow and ugly thing) for iOS but then Apple change things so tablets pretend they are desktops and broke the plugin(so from my limited experience iOS browsers are inferior ).

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by heavyset_go on Friday April 16, 2021 @01:59PM (#26837126)
I can't tell if you're joking or not. Apple refuses to implement Web APIs that make PWAs usable, the same Web APIs that Google, Chrome, Firefox, etc have all implemented 8+ years ago.
Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by katbyte on Friday April 16, 2021 @10:29AM (#26834322)
What app?
Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by simion314 on Friday April 16, 2021 @11:51AM (#26835429)
I don't want to name it, because the US guys will start again a big debate why X event is worse then Y event, why this P app is worse then F app, and since X > Y and P< F then Apple is right to ban the legal app P to protect the citizens.

That is a very visible case, but there were other smaller cases , where smaller applications were blocked because they had a link and that link was going to a page and on that page a developer would accept donations and Apple wanted a but from that.

Then you have apps blocked on totalitarian states, an entire nation is affected because they can't side load applications.

Re:U.S. House committee approves blueprint for Big Tech crac... by capableweb on Friday April 16, 2021 @06:50AM (#26832234)
> Yes, so the issue is not just selling your own products in your own marketplace.

Of course not, the final issue is companies becoming monopolies and companies abusing their market positions, that is what we want to prevent, in order to foster innovation and open markets.

> I would say Home Depot has far more control of their markets than Amazon does

Maybe you're right, I know nothing about what's going on on the ground of the US. So if Home Depot do have more control of their market than what Amazon has of the e-commerce market (more than 50%), then they should also be under watch to see what "strategies" they employ to get more profits.

Just because the House is now investigating technology companies doesn't mean that hopefully whatever legislation comes out of this, cannot be applied to other industries.