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Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by patio11 on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @05:55AM (#2682446)
This is only a little bit weirder on the continuum of what we already do for pop starlets, both in Japan and the United States. Japan has been manufacturing them -- that is totally the right word, too -- for about 30 years. Disney cottoned onto it a bit later. These days producers already have the key personality traits, demographic fit, sound, and marketing campaign for the new brand already planned out prior to launch, then they just need to find the least important component, the actual girl. They have perfected it so instead of the fund-a-thousand-bands-have-one-breakout-success label model they pick that, e.g., Miley Cyrus will be the next big thing for twelve year olds and then they make it happen.

If Disney could produce popstars in a laboratory they would.

For folks interested in how the Japanese content industry does it, see Merry White's books on the Japanese youth culture, particularly as it regards magazines. (They might need an update for the Internet age, but not all that much of one.)

Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by bane on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @08:34AM (#2682801)
That manufacturing also appears to carry a considerable investment (or possible payoff). One initially wonders why, when manufactured pop stars spectacularly flame out, that they are simply told to go low profile for a while then come back and act like nothing happened...until you think of them as a multi-million dollar entertainment machine their managers no doubt poured tons of money into in the form of singing lessons, dancing lessons, acting lessons, language lessons, etc. plus the money spent on building up "brand" awareness etc.

I follow Korean pop culture more than Japan's, but I definitely have a sense that the K-POP labels have virtual stables of up and coming "properties", getting paid little, living in bunks with other stars-in-training and eating instant noodles, but being given the very best in song and dance lessons for hours a day, waiting to be selected by their manager to begin a nationwide PR blitz and concert series for at least 2 years of "instant" stardom, then cultural obscurity.

I imagine that something no entirely dissimilar happens in the U.S., but the feeder system is all different...

The K-Pop starlet BoA is one I remember very well (also semi-popular in Japan if I understand correctly), chosen at about 13 (years ago), dropped out of school and "manufactured" through endless training programs to become what she is today. Interestingly, she was an investment by her label specifically for export to the U.S. and Japan. She hasn't done well in the States, but her label seems happy with her performance across the Sea of Japan, infiltrating J-Pop. Her interviews in the States (in very good, but accented English) came across as weird, slightly aloof, uncomfortable and detached...kind of what you'd expect out of somebody who has never really lived a normal life.

Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by ralfd on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @08:48AM (#2682853)
Is there in Korea (Asia) a counter culture to pop? The western youth is regularly driven like a pendulum to alternative and uncommercialised styles like Hippies, punk, grunge, electro. The stereotypical hipster who only likes obscure music and independent art by starving but true artists.
Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by bane on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @09:57PM (#2686308)
There is, but the "stick it to the man and be a rebel" vibe is not nearly as strong as in the States.

Every once in a while the mainstream will flirt with some of the indie groups, sometimes some of the style rubs off and the Pop industry will change.

One very well known case (in Korea) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seo_Tae_Ji basically revolutionized the entire industry a couple of times, changing styles like some people change hair cuts. He basically introduced hard rock and rap into the mainstream (which basically was stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2lD9cvkDx8 ) until he came along.

But there's really some great stuff in the indie scene there. One duo has recently started getting noticed a bit in the mainstream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmJYbdRfDNQ

Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by kobepanda on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @12:52PM (#2683954)
There is a very active youth crew hardcore scene in Korea. Nicest group of people in world because they are actually a minority and are always hungry for like-minded people.
Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by stcredzero on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @03:41PM (#2684790)
Scenes are generally full of nice people, until they get popular.
Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by teaspoon on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @11:11AM (#2683445)
Yes.
Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by goatforce5 on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @03:50PM (#2684847)
<i>I definitely have a sense that the K-POP labels have virtual stables of up and coming "properties"</i>

Someone I knew in London 5 or so years ago got a Development Deal with one of the major labels. He stayed in his normal job, but was paid a retainer to not talk to any other labels for a period of time. I don't know how much it was, but the first time the money hit his account he thought he'd been overpaid and called them so they could correct their error - he was told it was the right amount.

They'd give him some studio time occasionally and have him record demos and do showcase performances for various important people. They offered him a personal chef and a personal trainer to tone up.

Last I heard nothing had ever come of the whole thing. No records released, no attempt at publicly launching his career, etc. I assume the money stopped coming at some point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist_development_deal

Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by bane on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @11:13PM (#2686506)
Reminds me maybe of the crazy stuff from "The Real Housewives of xyz" or Rebecca Black's (Friday) production company.

Sort of the feeder leagues that produce second and third rate stuff until something percolates up and makes it into the major leagues. I wonder how much music (and videos) is out there? I'd bet some (a small percentage no doubt) of it is pretty good.

Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by roc on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @11:39AM (#2683600)
> "until you think of them as a multi-million dollar entertainment machine their managers no doubt poured tons of money into"

I would bet the ad spends and branding costs would dwarf the money spent directly on grooming the performer.

Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by bane on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @09:59PM (#2686317)
I think you are probably correct. Though I'm honestly not sure how the economics work out there. A very great deal of the promotion events happen via television appearances on various variety shows. A label may have spent a decade (or more) investing in training up a performer before they get any public notice.
Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by JonnieCache on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @08:03AM (#2682709)
>If Disney could produce popstars in a laboratory they would.

They basically did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mickey_Mouse_Club

Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by Semiapies on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @01:41PM (#2684198)
Yes, they've been doing this closer to sixty years.
Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by phaedon on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @10:21AM (#2683204)
"If Disney could produce popstars in a laboratory they would." I think The Onion has a great video bit about this exact premise.

http://www.theonion.com/video/disney-lab-unveils-its-latest-...

Re:New Japanese Pop Idol Shocks Fans With News - She’s Not Real by tomlin on Wednesday June 22, 2011 @11:58AM (#2683706)
I've pondered the possibility that when CG eventually solves the uncanny valley effect[1], if ever, that some actors/actresses could sell their persona to be recreated (with royalties of course) and used for future purposes (ie, sequels, remakes, etc.).

Seeing this, I think that could be closer to reality.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley