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Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by umvi on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:00PM (#26808929)
I reject the thinking that "people are going to do what they want" and we are helpless to influence their behavior so we should just accept whatever they are doing no questions asked and work around it with public policy if it causes a problem. The reason I reject it is because I would argue "what people want to do" does not spontaneously arise in their minds, but rather is influenced by popular culture, marketing, and more.

Take alcohol for example. You might say "you can't prevent people from drinking, look at Prohibition, it was a complete failure, don't even try", and in a certain sense you are right. You can't prevent all people from drinking.

However, you can prevent many people from drinking (or at least, reduce the total amount of drinking to more moderate levels) by:

- Not glorifying alcohol via pop culture and movies (especially American binge drinking at age 21)

- Restrict/regulate alcohol advertisements and marketing to reduce the influence of "drinking = happiness" messaging

- etc.

Or, stated in other terms, you can exacerbate your country's alcohol-related issues by glorifying alcohol and enshrining it in popular culture.

In the same vein, maybe we wouldn't have as big of a problem if we didn't glorify casual sex encounters so much in our media. If popular media/culture instead glorified things like self-restraint, commitment, etc, I'm sure some % of people would be influenced.

Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by fao_ on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:15PM (#26809162)
> I reject the thinking that "people are going to do what they want" and we are helpless to influence their behavior so we should just accept whatever they are doing no questions asked and work around it with public policy if it causes a problem. The reason I reject it is because I would argue what people want to do does not spontaneously arise in their minds, but rather is influenced by popular culture, marketing, and more.

Hmm, let's see how well that worked with sexually active teenagers in the bible belt, shall we?

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/abstinence-programs-i...

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/08/23/5452891...

https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news...

Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by rayiner on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:16PM (#26810925)
That just proves that Sunday school can’t do much in the face of a culture that overwhelmingly normalizes casual sex in TV, movies, music, etc. That doesn’t mean that societies committed to the opposite don’t exist. And many do—such as much of Asia. We can argue about the merits of say Bangladeshi society (where I’m from) but we have almost completely escaped the global AIDs epidemic.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by fao_ on Friday April 16, 2021 @03:56PM (#26838407)
Bangladeshi society focused more on education and healthcare initiatives, not propaganda -- at least according to wiki
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by gnull on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @01:12PM (#26810003)
If one of the attempts did not work, it doesn't mean that none of them will.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by vict7 on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @01:20PM (#26810157)
Excellent point! Seems like some are more interested in pushing their own beliefs and morality on others rather than examining the evidence of what makes effective (or ineffective) public policy.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by morbia on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:40PM (#26809539)
Gay man here, on prep in a long term open relationship.

To date I have yet to come across anything in mainstream media that comes close to 'glorifying' the type of relationship I have with my partner, or non-monogamy in general. Can you give any examples of this?

I'd also argue I'm in a committed relationship, but I'm not going argue semantics.

Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by umvi on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @01:20PM (#26810159)
Yeah, I would argue "long term relationship" is a sign of commitment.

I'm more talking about shows and movies that make it seem like non-committal hookups and switching sexual partners rapidly for any reason is cool and totally normal:

- How I Met Your Mother (Barney)

- The Office (everyone has slept with everyone by the end)

- Game of Thrones

You could argue the "good" characters like Tyrion typically showed more commitment in their sexual activities than "bad" characters like Theon who just knocked up random women for fun. But even then you have instances where the "heroes" like Arya have one night stands with no consequences (because HBO wanted to be edgy).

- Friends

Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by morbia on Thursday April 15, 2021 @12:54PM (#26823037)
I'll be honest I've not seen the first two series so I'll avoid speculating. I'm sure you are absolutely right.

In the case of Game of Thrones, a lot of the more 'liberal' sexual encounters were really put in for shock value or an excuse for nudity, for example Oberyn's orgy scenes. I never really got the feeling it was trying to normalise these things, but that was just my interpretation.

Similarly for Friends my interpretation was characters like Joey were to be the punchline of a joke, not to say his behaviour was normal. It felt more to laugh AT him, not to normalise it.

My experiences of mainstream media seems to largely focus on the young bachelor(ette) who has casual sex as a 'phase', or the monogamous faithful couple who've grown up and matured. Despite this narrative, I really don't believe monogamy works for a fair percentage of the population. This leads to either two states:-

1. They never form close romantic relationships, leading to more casual sex and probably larger risk of spreading STDs.

2. They do engage in a monogamous relationship, only for it to turn sour because of the tensions it causes. In some cases this leads to a party cheating on the other. These people almost never go to STI clinics to get tested for fear it will ruin their relationships.

How about instead the mainstream media embraced the idea of wanting to have multiple sexual partners is fine regardless of your stage of your life or your relationship status? That way, we can have make sure that everyone is informed of the risks and getting the medical treatment they need to keep themselves and others safe (particularly regular testing). As soon as you start demonising it and saying you shouldn't feel that way, people will do it anyway and just hide it instead.

Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by emodendroket on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @01:40PM (#26810426)
Have you considered the possibility that this might have more to do with the fact that serial monogamy is already widespread (and has been since before it was commonly depicted on television) and the shows have a relatively limited cast of characters?

Even if not, are we asking the government to step in and ban Friends? Because if not, I don’t see how this observation gives us anything approaching a solution.

Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by ahthat on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:03PM (#26810742)
Continuing to raise awareness of the consequences of assuming risky behavior is a reasonable action that could be taken. With widespread messaging, the burdens of the consequences of risky behavior greater fall solely onto those who engage in the behavior, rather than being distributed evenly across society
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by emodendroket on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:04PM (#26810760)
“Raising awareness” sounds pretty much useless.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by ahthat on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:09PM (#26810818)
No evidence provided.

Of course it is useful - if you don’t know of a thing, you don’t know the consequences of engaging in that thing. It’s as axiomatic as the trite and age old saying “knowledge is power”. Your comment is completely disingenuous.

Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by emodendroket on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:10PM (#26810838)
I don’t think the problem here is people aren’t aware that venereal disease is a possible result of unprotected sex. You have provided just as little evidence for your assertion to the contrary.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by ahthat on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:20PM (#26810981)
My hunch is that people are probably generally unaware of the recent rise in syphilis cases, would do well to be more informed, and with proliferation of the message some general adjustment of behavior in society is to be expected
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by emodendroket on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:22PM (#26810997)
My hunch is that that isn’t true because people on the story are shrugging off multiple infections.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by ahthat on Thursday April 15, 2021 @07:00PM (#26827256)
Again anecdotal evidence. Just because some people shrug off multiple infections does not mean awareness has no influence.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by emodendroket on Thursday April 15, 2021 @07:26PM (#26827431)
And your "hunches" are rigorous? If you are going to demand rigor of your interlocutors I would say you have an obligation to demonstrate it yourself.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by umvi on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:02PM (#26810736)
> Even if not, are we asking the government to step in and ban Friends? Because if not, I don’t see how this observation gives us anything approaching a solution.

Absolutely not. Government should not have to solve every problem in society. The solution is for us (consumers) to not watch shows that promote values we don't agree with. And if you do agree with them... you reap what you sow.

Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by emodendroket on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:04PM (#26810755)
So in other words you don’t have any solution.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by umvi on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:23PM (#26811011)
I have a solution, just not a solution the government can implement.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by ahthat on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:00PM (#26810703)
Attempt to derail parent argument by citing inadequacy of reflection of anecdote in a general survey of literature/media
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by rayiner on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @02:13PM (#26810885)
Pretty much every sitcom today glorifies casual sex and avoidance of committed relationships. “How I Met Your Mother” for example.
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by emodendroket on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:13PM (#26809135)
So what do you actually want to do? Create a board of censors? Bring back the Hayes Code?
Re:Once on the brink of eradication, syphilis is raging again by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:17PM (#26809185)
>However, you can prevent many people from drinking (or at least, reduce the total amount of drinking to more moderate levels) by:

actually doing something effective like taxing the purchase of alcohol to such a level that people don't do as much of it unless they are alcoholics.

So all we have to do is tax when people purchase their genitalia for the weekend.