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Re:Just Be Rich by zimpenfish on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:36AM (#26790065)
> All you need is a computer.

Plus free time. Plus motivation and energy which is probably in short supply when you've already done 8 hours in a supermarket / your second job / a full day of childcare / etc.

> a few hundred bucks. It's a pretty low bar.

For a lot of people in the US, a few hundred bucks is the difference between eating that month and going without. Or being able to pay the rent and not be evicted. Or being able to afford transport to/from their job.

Re:Just Be Rich by taurath on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:45AM (#26790120)
Of course they’re not talking about “those people”, aka the 63% of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck. When the ultra rich speak they’re only speaking to the upper middle 40%. We love a good rags to riches story but economic class changes less in the US than many other countries, despite this “ease”.

Show me any group of founders and you can point to a few outliers but people who have had jobs like grocery store clerk by and large do not go on to make a business. The bar is lowered enough for upper middle class only, with few exceptions.

Re:Just Be Rich by WalterBright on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:58AM (#26790209)
> 63% of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck

That doesn't mean they're poor. I've known many, many people with zero savings living paycheck to paycheck. They had new cars, nice houses, good furniture, expensive clothes, took vacations, and ate regularly at restaurants.

They simply spent it all.

Re:Just Be Rich by ironman1478 on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @10:26AM (#26792566)
You are truly out of touch with people who are in poverty or near it. My parents each work 60-70+ hour manual labor jobs not including brutal commutes. We were paycheck to paycheck for over a decade until my mom became a nurse (being able to pay for it was complete luck). My father didn't take a day off for over a decade include the weekends it felt like (obviously slight exaggeration) and injured himself multiple times on the job due to the stress. It's truly insulting and saddening to see this sentiment expressed. It is so out of touch.
Re:Just Be Rich by WalterBright on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @02:46PM (#26797131)
I didn't deny the existence of poverty. I do not deny your personal experience. There's a lot of poverty. I said that living paycheck to paycheck does not necessarily mean poverty.

According to google, the percentage of Americans in poverty is 9.2% for 2020, not 63%.

Re:Just Be Rich by taurath on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:11PM (#26799385)
FWIW I agree that paycheck to paycheck doesn’t mean poverty, but to say it’s only the people below the poverty line that can’t afford to take any risks with their source of income is also quite wrong.

Finances are quite tight overall - for the upper middle class that might mean living in an expensive area. For the middle class that might mean holding onto house and childcare payments. Those are choices sometimes, and others not.

What is also very common is to want a different job but not have the skillset people need, and no way to sacrifice the time it’d take to gain that skillset. Also age, if you wanted to be a programmer at 40 you could go to school for 4 years only to find there’s almost nobody willing to hire you at that age. This leads to people basically being stuck, unable to change their situation and certainly not able to have the runway to try to build out a business without an old fashioned bank loan.

Software engineers have a completely different set of problems than people who don’t work in tech.

Re:Just Be Rich by WalterBright on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:55PM (#26800533)
My first job after college was at Boeing, where I received an entry level paycheck. We were paid every other Thursday at noon. Just before noon, there was a mad rush of people out the door, running to their cars and zooming off. I asked one of the old timers what was up with that, and he laughed and said they're running to the bank to deposit the paycheck before their checks bounced.

These were middle class people, paid much more than myself.

They had no money, but they had plenty of income. They just spent it all. And there were a lot of them. I can give you many, many real life examples.

As for unemployable ancient programmers, I'm one of them. I know about it.

The solution is hire yourself. Nobody can stop you from buying a computer and hanging out your shingle. Companies are much more likely to hire an older person as a consultant than as an employee.

Contribute to open source to build a reputation. Several companies regularly scan the D programming language forums looking for people to hire, and they'll often hire remotely.

Everybody has some opportunities that are closed off to them. But they do have avenues that are available to be exploited. Focus on those.

Re:Just Be Rich by taurath on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @03:25AM (#26804031)
I think, and I mean this softly and in a non-accusatory manner, that you may overestimate the level of opportunity that passes by people. Many people don't end up completing college. Many people who do end up completing college don't end up getting a leg up from their degree. I know quite a few restaurant servers with decent degrees.

> Everybody has some opportunities that are closed off to them. But they do have avenues that are available to be exploited. Focus on those.

Are you sure about that, honestly? Or is it that it worked out for you, with your particular set of prerequisites and willpower? I too believe there are more opportunities for people than they realize, but much of my adult life has been doing all I can to mentor and help people find and hop onto opportunities. I've done this enough to see a lot more failures than successes. It makes me think that people, while they may think its "hard", still really underestimate how much further ahead they were of people who weren't doing as well as them. Mental health and childhood trauma being one of the biggest factors that people don't end up considering, but also just how deep the cycle and mindset of poverty gets ingrained into people.

Re:Just Be Rich by WalterBright on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @05:16AM (#26804705)
> Are you sure about that, honestly?

Yes. People have free will. They can choose. They are not condemned to fate.

Re:Just Be Rich by taurath on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @09:55AM (#26807110)
Why would anyone choose to not be a millionaire? Why do people choose to stay in jobs they hate? Vantage point matters to people’s decision making
Re:Just Be Rich by nickpp on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @12:34PM (#26809447)
Because people are lazy. Opportunities all require work, and lots of it.
Re:Just Be Rich by taurath on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @11:05PM (#26815787)
Yes the “poor people are lazy” argument.
Re:Just Be Rich by WalterBright on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:39AM (#26790442)
> already done 8 hours

I started my first business while working for Boeing 50 hours a week (they had mandatory overtime for years).