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Re:Ask HN: What under-the-radar technology are you excited a... by Robotbeat on Monday April 12, 2021 @08:23PM (#26786783)
But this is actually the advantage of this approach vs the alternative. Self-driving (or "autopilot") cars today try to use machine learning to read human-readable signage, but they don't have any good way to verify the values with a checksum and so are really vulnerable to graffiti (as are human drivers to some extent). It's easy to checksum a fiducial. So machine-readable signage is actually much more resistant to that kind of attack than human readable signage.

Error detecting and correcting signage would be able to correct or at least detect the error, and it’s also possible to encrypt or, um, sign the signage. None of those are terribly feasible with human readable signage.

A human can take a crowbar to a railroad track. A human can drop a brick from an overpass. But modifying a signed and error corrected fiducial is gonna be pretty tough.

Re:Ask HN: What under-the-radar technology are you excited a... by choward on Monday April 12, 2021 @08:28PM (#26786816)
What good does encryption do? All someone has to do is copy or move the sign.
Re:Ask HN: What under-the-radar technology are you excited a... by Robotbeat on Monday April 12, 2021 @08:38PM (#26786890)
I think your question was rhetorical, but there's an answer:

Because it means that modifying the sign is not useful. (Unlike, say, modifying a speed limit sign.) Also, the fiducial can encode its orientation or position (perhaps in relation to other nearby signs... and could be a hash or checksum of its position, to save space), so the vehicle would be able to know there's a mismatch and thus mark the sign as suspect/unreliable if it was in any other spot or orientation.

There are other solutions to these. But the same problem you describe occurs if someone moved a human-readable sign (but without any way to checksum).

I think fiducials are not a panacea. They are just one additional data source in what needs to be a robust sensor-fusion approach. But they make a whole bunch of stuff in machine vision a LOT easier to solve. Machine-learning approaches have the same problems but with less opportunity to address them, less robustness, and more overhead.

Re:Ask HN: What under-the-radar technology are you excited a... by jayd16 on Monday April 12, 2021 @08:41PM (#26786906)
I supposed location and information could be added to a sign along with a certification or checksum. As long as its done in a way that doesn't require exact placement, signs found outside their location are ignored.

...something like, "Forest St. Northbound CLOSED (lat,lon) <encrypted checksum>"?

Re:Ask HN: What under-the-radar technology are you excited a... by zamfi on Monday April 12, 2021 @08:36PM (#26786877)
The sign could easily be tied to location, no?