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Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by swiley on Friday April 09, 2021 @08:52AM (#26749897)
I'm still upset they try to force you to use their plugin. These would be less scary if it were jst a web app.
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by ISL on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:19AM (#26750169)
You can force it to use a web app by declining permission to run locally.

The web-app has fewer capabilities (no gallery view, last I used it), but works great.

Also, Meet is fully-featured and runs entirely in-browser.

Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by kiwijamo on Friday April 09, 2021 @02:58PM (#26754599)
Meet performs quite poorly with large number of participants (the tipping point being around 10 or so for me) in a meeting. I tried various browsers and found Chrome to be the worst performer and surprisely Firefox was somewhat better but still needed a refresh every now and then. Macos on a 2017 MacBook. This is one of many reasons keeping my $employer on Zoom. We just haven't found a decent video conferencing software that manages 25+ videos flawlessly. I know of colleagues using Teams successfully but many people we meet with outside our organisation expects Zoom nowdays. I suspect any alternative will have to be very good to take over Zoom as the preferred platform. That has yet to appear.
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by sigmaml on Saturday April 10, 2021 @04:56AM (#26760043)
Evidently, it depends on multiple factors.

My son's school uses Google Meet for online classes. 2 instructors + 36 students per section. All participants have their videos switched on. Even when the bandwidth fluctuates, we haven't noticed issues. In particular, Meet degrades well: audio continues to be high quality, with video becoming grainy or getting suspended. But, that is pretty rare. And, slide shows are never a problem.

Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by kiwijamo on Saturday April 10, 2021 @02:01PM (#26763514)
Ah that is interesting. I work for a school for Deaf learners who use sign language. We rely on having good quality video so we can see each other. Your description of video degradion matches my observation. Unfortunately this is not suitable for our use case. Zoom maintains high quality video really well on the same connections meets will degrade quite badly. I've always thought there should be a switch to decide which of video or audio should receive priority.
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by tweetle_beetle on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:26AM (#26750264)
I've wondered whether things like the gallery view limitation were actual technical hurdles, or just the modern equivalent of nagware to boost the app download metrics.
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by ISL on Friday April 09, 2021 @10:30AM (#26751009)
At the start of the pandemic, the web client had gallery view.
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by Asraelite on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:27AM (#26750277)
Is the lack of a gallery view a genuine technical constraint, or an artificial one introduced to get users to use the plugin?
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by Steltek on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:35AM (#26750365)
False dichotomy. There's a (likely) third option where they do not have sufficient engineering effort to do everything at once. Most users are on the app so that's where effort is applied. Yes, this means the webapp loses even more market share but thems the breaks.
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by dhosek on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:38AM (#26750410)
Given that Facebook removed functionality from the mobile web view that was present in earlier versions and is still there in the desktop view (messages, cough), I think that it's a very fair question to raise about Zoom's choice to not allow gallery view in the web app.
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by Steltek on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:50AM (#26750549)
Putting aside that Zoom is not Facebook, "Zoom's choice to not allow gallery view" sounds very much like, "How long have you been beating your wife?" Zoom has not implemented gallery view. We know nothing about the whys, hows, and whats of the matter.

Look, I prefer webapps when possible and keep mobile apps to a very minimum on my mobile (and preferably from F-Droid, at that). But I also understand that you can only do so much in a release and if your engineering team expertise, backlog, users, sales, EVERYTHING, is centered around native apps. Then damn it, you're going to make your native app look stellar because otherwise your competitors will get a leg up over you.

Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by dreamcompiler on Friday April 09, 2021 @11:04AM (#26751417)
I can still get FB Messages in the mobile web view by telling my browser to use Desktop view and ensuring the URL starts with "www" rather than "m." It's painful but it works.

I deleted the FB app from my phone years ago (with difficulty because Samsung makes it undeletable by non-hackers) because the app gives FB far too much info about me.

Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by mark4o on Friday April 09, 2021 @02:28PM (#26754155)
On macOS my experience with Zoom in the browser is that the gallery mode works in Chrome, however in Chrome it has problems with the camera (it reports that the camera is in use, or will hog the cpu and work at about 1 frame per second). On Firefox the camera works fine, but there is no gallery mode. On Safari the gallery mode and camera both work, but audio does not work! So I need to choose whether to do without video, audio, or gallery mode, or I can connect to the meeting twice with two different browsers.
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by jacquesm on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:36AM (#26750378)
Yes, but they keep pushing the binary anyway.
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by jefftk on Friday April 09, 2021 @04:29PM (#26755702)
The web client now has gallery view
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by wasyl on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:09AM (#26750067)
They do? I don't have any plugin installed and use Zoom in Firefox without major issues
Re:Zoom zero-day discovery by BlueTemplar on Friday April 09, 2021 @09:24AM (#26750241)
Lol, I forgot that it could even be run in a web browser!