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Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by _delirium on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @12:22AM (#26720576)
I found I had to get rid of a decent portion of the news too, and news-adjacent comedy shows like Colbert. It's not enough to personally not read FB/Twitter, since they have gotten so integrated into mainstream media. Maybe 10 years ago you could just ignore social media, but by 2018 (when I started making an effort to avoid it), you could end up seeing thousands of tweets without ever using twitter yourself, if you just regularly watched TV news and/or current events comedy. Whole portions of these shows turned into literally putting a tweet on the screen and then talking about the tweet and responses to it. Especially Trump tweets and their replies, but not solely those.
Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by marlor on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @12:39AM (#26720663)
Getting rid of “newstainment” and 24-hour news programs significantly improved the quality and breadth of the news I consume.

By just reading a quality daily newspaper and a couple of newsmagazines, I’m better informed than when I was a news junkie with cable news on in the background and news websites refreshing on my phone.

“Breaking news” is broken. Print media, especially weekly newsmagazines, have the luxury of time to actually think about their coverage and provide adequate research and follow-up. Conversely, space is limited, so if it’s not adding value, it gets chopped.

Live news, on the other hand, needs to alternate between being first to report, then filling time until something else occurs, all while making whatever is occurring seem more important than it really is.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by Gene_Parmesan on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @03:45AM (#26721567)
(This is not addressed directly at you, parent commenter, these are just general thoughts.)

I studied journalism in undergrad, and I have never understood why people are so drawn to watch these national 24hr 'news' channels. During a major crisis, sure, but day in and day out? I just don't get it. There just isn't that much that happens at a non-personal level (personal meaning self-, family-, friend-, work-oriented) each day. In terms of staying "up to date," I still am not clear on why this is important to do daily at a national-focused level, but if it's important to you, it can be done in a few minutes by reading a brief recap. If you do want a more traditional news cast, PBS News Hour is a good one.

But with these 24 hr networks, given how little of import happens on an average day, most of the time what you are being shown are not facts, but opinions. And these networks are all owned by massive, massive megacorps. Not sure why anyone is interested in getting drip fed opinions that originate, however loosely, from these conglomerates.

They try to get you to buy into them by convincing you it's important to "stay informed," but never really explain why. They play on your desires to be a good citizen, to be seen as intelligent, to feel 'serious.' If staying informed is important, it's most important at a local level, where your real connections can help you have a real impact. People are so focused on what all the senators tweeted yesterday that they are missing the real problems, issues, etc. that they could help address in their local communities. In this sense, news might not come from media at all -- and here is where social media could actually have real value.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:52AM (#26722543)
> They try to get you to buy into them by convincing you it's important to "stay informed," but never really explain why.

The common explanation you hear everywhere, even here on HN, is that citizens "staying informed" is the key to an effective democracy. While it may be true in the abstract, using this as an argument for 24h news - or even daily news - is quietly omitting the fact that these news sources provide negative information value. Your worldview becomes less accurate, not more. Widespread addiction to breaking news is thus creating a less effective democracy.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by Groxx on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:05AM (#26721716)
Honestly, I think it's addiction by design (intentionally, or merely A/B tested into existence, end result is similar). Emotional swings are impactful, even if repeated ones are not very individually memorable, and the endless rollercoaster is one way to keep you looking at the rollercoaster rather than at e.g. boredom elsewhere. Eventually you're habituated, and looking away looks less interesting than this fire that just erupted in you-wouldn't-guess-where / it-could-happen-to-you.
Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by roenxi on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:28AM (#26723295)
Guessing, but it would make a lot of sense if there was a fair number of humans that are just primed to constantly look out for threats. If such people exist, they would love 24-7 news coverage of bad news even though it makes their lives worse.

Following news makes little sense for keeping a person informed. There are too many completely conflicting sources of news. All the news informs of is what other people who watch the news will have opinions on.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by mschuster91 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @08:17AM (#26723721)
> I studied journalism in undergrad, and I have never understood why people are so drawn to watch these national 24hr 'news' channels.

Because the alternative (other than going out for a walk) is watching re-runs of many years old shows or other outright crap.

Personally, I like the 24/7 radio news channel of the local public broadcaster ("B5 Aktuell") - news and information program, but no pop music that was bad already when it came out.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by ghaff on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:24AM (#26723259)
I've also done some journalism but, for many years, my primary news source was getting Time Magazine delivered to my mailbox plus the evening news every now and then along with one of the Sunday morning news programs. That was pretty much it.

Today I don't get live TV but I do pretty much get real-time news through Twitter, etc.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by SamoyedFurFluff on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @02:47AM (#26721240)
Which print media do you recommend?
Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by marlor on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @08:53AM (#26724120)
The Economist is the gold standard, with unbiased, quality writing. Brilliant all round. However, it’s expensive (especially if you prefer print over digital). I subscribe on and off.

I also really like Foreign Policy. Despite its name, it’s not really a specialist publication, just a general overview of global current affairs with a bit of a policy focus.

The Guardian Weekly has great international coverage. Its editorial stance is also less overt than it once was (far more measured than the website). There are still occasional stories and writers that make my eyes roll, but it also covers really interesting global stories I don’t find anywhere else.

My daily newspaper is the Sydney Morning Herald. I’ve been based in Australia since travel restrictions hit, and I’m really happy with the paper. It seems to be just as good as it was a decade ago when I was last based here.

Contrary to popular opinion, there’s plenty of quality print journalism out there.

You just need to read an individual paper for a while to internalise the house style and (with the notable exception of The Economist) get to know the individual predilections of each journalist. That level of engagement with the paper and its writers is not something you get from skimming Google News, but I really feel it’s at the heart of getting the most from journalism.

Just buy a particular paper or newsmagazine for a month or two, and see if it’s for you. One local/national and one with a global focus is all you need. If you find them, you’ll hopefully be set for years.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by DyslexicAtheist on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:48AM (#26721996)
not OP but I've had a long running subscription to The Economist since the early 90ies. One of my favorite sections usually glossed over by everyone I know (but I'm weird) is the quality from "Letters to the Editor" that are incredibly well selected and often hilarious when checked with the original piece that they are referring to. The Letters are not my causa primera for reading it, but if something so mundane is done with so much attention to detail, the rest should also be up to my expectation (and it usually is).

Secondly there is also their Tech section which compared to politics / economics / finance ..., I can as an insider judge its quality. It stands out among the rest IMO. I also like the FT for similar reasons.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by JackFr on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @06:43AM (#26722950)
The obituary was always a worthwhile read as well. It might not have been the most prominent person who died that week, but always fascinating.
Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by 867-5309 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:58AM (#26722058)
>had a long running subscription to The Economist

>their Tech section ... stands out among the rest

this is some hardcore Gell Mann sorcery right here

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by sien on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @06:14AM (#26722711)
To the child sub comment.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/65213-briefly-stated-the-ge...

867 is either implying that because something you know is good you judge the rest likely to be good.

Alternatively they are being sarcastic because they think The Economist's tech section is poor.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by 867-5309 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @06:27AM (#26722814)
on the contrary - I am applauding their following of economics AND tech, hence sorcery
Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by DyslexicAtheist on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @06:23AM (#26722775)
ah, thanks for shedding light.

yes it's my own opinion and I don't consider myself to be an authority on these other subjects, so my only tools are intuition or trying to piggyback on people I think (or was told) are authorities. (but both are blunt tools since if I can't judge the subject my trust in others who I think know those things is equally questionable)

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by DyslexicAtheist on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @06:04AM (#26722637)
having trouble understanding the reference. would you care to elaborate?
Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by mcgin on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @03:09AM (#26721353)
The Financial Times is my main news source. It seems to be the only one that I've found which doesn't have sensationalist stories/click baity headlines
Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by Stupulous on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @03:41AM (#26721536)
Financial journalism really outperforms most media sources in terms of picking important stories and telling them in an unbiased way.

Maybe their wealthier audience means that they're not racing to the bottom for clicks. Maybe the people in charge know to run a business that gives people what they want without alienating half of potential customers. Maybe something else entirely. Whatever it is, it's working, and I hope it stays that way.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by lostandbored on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:48AM (#26721992)
Agreed. Even Reuters News is high quality in comparison to CNN and Fox News.
Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by tomjen3 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:59AM (#26722596)
I once did an exercise where I went over every single news article on the front page of my prefered online paper and asked myself if that was relevant to me and my life.

The answer was no to everything single one. That was pre-covid, and sometimes the news are relevant, but you can mostly do a quick checkup once a week. Prefer something in text form that you can scan over.

Re:7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they? by ghaff on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @08:12AM (#26723681)
A weekly news magazine was where I got most of my news for a long time. The US ones are all pretty bad these days; I dropped my Time subscription a few years back after having it for decades. The Economist is probably the go-to in English these days.