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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by lrvick on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:04PM (#26717376)
They offered: "Politicians are not happy. Someone has to pay for it. If you help us we can make sure you are not that someone"

And yeah, I was terrified. It was a mistake to talk to them in the first place.

They got in my door by telling me they wanted my opinion on some activity they felt is a threat to a visiting president then things took a fast turn asking me about my research and contacts.

FBI is 100% allowed to lie to you but if you lie back to them they own you. They also like to catch you unprepared and off guard. Don't fall for it.

Say something like:

"I'm sorry this is not a topic I feel well prepared to talk about right now. If you have a court order I will honor it but even then I am going to need time to collect my thoughts and ensure I am speaking accurately. I'll walk you out"

Then get a lawyer to coach you on what you can and can't say. If they catch you in a lie even by accident they can -force- you to be an informant.

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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by quercusa on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:47PM (#26717781)
Law professor James Duane reminds you: "Don't Talk to the Police"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by supuun on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @12:34PM (#26727277)
thank you, i really enjoyed this lecture.
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by alfiedotwtf on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @07:40PM (#26718736)
I’ll never forget the time I kicked the door down of a brothel to see if anyone was inside while it was on fire. Police came to my house, asked me to help them in an arson investigation, I invited them in, and told them what happened... it was only when they started taking photos of my jacket I was wearing that day that I realised I was the main arson suspect. That’s when the adrenaline hit... and when it does, your brain gets muddled and so it’s damn easy to get caught out with not be accurate when recalling facts... but yeah, it’s easier not to lie when you tell them to go through a lawyer.
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by pasquinelli on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @08:01PM (#26718890)
i think i first saw this here, but it's worth repeating.

https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by alfiedotwtf on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @08:51AM (#26724098)
hehe. It's funny because that's always in my recommended!
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by hinkley on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @06:17PM (#26718048)
> "Politicians are not happy. Someone has to pay for it. If you help us we can make sure you are not that someone"

Isn't that racketeering?

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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by __blockcipher__ on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @06:34PM (#26718228)
Wait, you mean the gang of armed thugs that extort money from people at the point of a gun, throwing them in a tiny rape cage if they disobey, and will abduct their own citizens to dose then with megadoses of psychedelics for weeks straight, while simultaneously operating a massive imperialist war machine...might be guilty of racketeering?

Come to think of it, you might be on to something!

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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by jimz on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @08:42PM (#26719206)
Federal agents, while technically only possessing something akin to an even less accessible version of qualified immunity under the Bivens doctrine, in reality are basically never going to be held responsible in any sort of substantive way from those they victimized on the job, unless they literally kill a bystander or something and even that isn't a sure thing.
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by nerdponx on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @10:27PM (#26719922)
That doesn't make it not racketeering...
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @07:34PM (#26718684)
Regardless of what it is how many here jumping for joy if instead of a "noble security researcher" those tactics were being used against people peddling untaxed goods, rubber stamping commercial motor vehicle inspections or some other "you need to extrapolate out at least a few steps to find a victim" type crime? The government only gets away with this stuff because people turn a blind eye when its done to people they don't like.
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by pasquinelli on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @07:59PM (#26718880)
no, the government gets away with this stuff because they have power. people turn a blind eye because it doesn't matter if they don't, because they don't have power.
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by solveit on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @09:10PM (#26719418)
The government gets away with this stuff because people can't coordinate their power, which looks basically the same as powerless people turning a blind eye. You guys are describing two facets of the same thing, but the people do in fact have more power than the government.
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by dTal on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @08:10AM (#26723660)
They can coordinate their power; it's called "government". Government employs about 15% of the labor force in America, and that's not even including contractors for whom government is the only customer.

Any large-scale coordination will necessarily eclipse the individual and take on a life of its own; you can't really have it both ways.

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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by salawat on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @06:25PM (#26718145)
Not when the government does it.

The great self-referential inconsistency, if you will.

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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by refurb on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @09:15PM (#26719438)
Cops are allowed to lie to you.
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by throwaway823882 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @09:04PM (#26719387)
Even if it is, who are you gonna tell? The FBI?
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by viraptor on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:39PM (#26717711)
I'm curious, do you know what happens if you tried to make yourself useless by publicly announcing that FBI is trying to make you an informant? Has anyone tried that as a way out?
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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by lrvick on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @10:02PM (#26719761)
At the time they threatened me to not tell anyone they spoke with me or unspecified bad things would happen.

I am older and have spent a lot more time researching law now, and no longer choose to let strongarm chilling effects like this work.

There are tons of good people in law enforcement and three letter agencies that actually protect people. I know some of them.

I also know some overstep and abuse their power and it is on all of us to call it out when it happens.

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Re:I refused to become an FBI informant, the government put ... by s5300 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:42PM (#26717728)
Likely obstruction of justice/some other nature of obstruction that may leave you with some pretty serious charges.
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