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Re:Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clo... by throwawaysea on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:53AM (#26713402)
The roller coaster saga of AstraZeneca is a prime example of why I think it is fair for some people to not want to get vaccines or at least to be suspicious of the accelerated EUA process. The choice to get vaccinated or not should be retained by individuals, respecting bodily autonomy, rather than forced by states via vaccine passports or other such policies that resemble China's social credit scores.
Re:Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clo... by cactus2093 on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:59AM (#26713485)
Vaccine passports don't force you to take the vaccine, you are free to not get vaccinated and just not go to private crowded venues like disneyland or whatever.

Also, what about the bodily autonomy of people that don't want to be in close proximity someone who might have covid? (after all, vaccines are only 65-95% effective, perhaps a little less when it comes to new variants). This is just inevitably one of those cases where an individual's own freedom can actively inhibit other people's freedom, there's no perfect solution.

Re:Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clo... by ceejayoz on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:02PM (#26713538)
We've also had similar travel requirements for other diseases for decades without issue. Want to hop on an international flight in the late 1940s? Better have your smallpox vaccine recorded!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_requirements_for_i...

Re:Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clo... by throwawayboise on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:25PM (#26713848)
> what about the bodily autonomy of people that don't want to be in close proximity someone who might have covid

They can choose to isolate themselves. The big wide world is full of risks, and COVID is but one.

If you choose to get vaccinated, you have little to worry about. You're not going to get sick, even if exposed. If I choose to not get vaccinated, I theoretically endanger myself and that's my choice.

Re:Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clo... by ceejayoz on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @02:46PM (#26715717)
> If you choose to get vaccinated, you have little to worry about.

I might need the ICU that's filled to the brim with anti-vaxxers. (There are also folks who can't get vaccinated who rely on the responsibility of others.)

Re:Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clo... by _Microft on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:01PM (#26713518)
> The choice to get vaccinated or not should be retained by individuals, respecting bodily autonomy,

> rather than forced by states via vaccine passports

People should definitely have the choice whether to be vaccinated or not. This does not mean that they do not have to bear the consequences of that decision. This might well mean that they cannot travel as easily as before or might not even visit restaurants because of the threat that they still pose to others. I understand that they might not like that but this feels like a case of "wanting to have the cake and eating it".

Re:Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clo... by throwawayboise on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:26PM (#26713866)
If unvaccinated people pose a threat to the vaccinated, what exactly is the benefit of the vaccine then?
Re:Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clo... by _Microft on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @01:04PM (#26714422)
> If unvaccinated people pose a threat to the vaccinated, what exactly is the benefit of the vaccine then?

Unvaccinated pose a threat to other unvaccinated people. There are people who just cannot be vaccinated whether they want to be or not.

Re:Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clo... by throwawaysea on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @02:41PM (#26715661)
So why can't those people just isolate themselves or where PPE everywhere if they are risk averse? Why force others to inject something foreign rushed through authorization into their body?