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Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by lemming on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @04:33AM (#26709488)
This is mostly interesting because NZ has explicitly pursued a strategy of COVID elimination, while Australia has followed a suppression strategy. While recently the effects have been broadly similar (small outbreaks generally quickly contained and stamped out using short regional lockdowns and contact tracing), it's fair to say that a lot of people here in NZ are uncomfortable with this.

That said, this isn't just trying to get some tourist dollars into NZ. Given the large migration between the two countries there are lots of families which are split across the two who will now be able to visit their relatives - they'll be pretty happy to see this news.

Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by josephg on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @04:38AM (#26709521)
The Australian federal government has been aiming for a suppression strategy while the states have been eliminating the virus any time it appears anyway. We’ve had a few minor outbreaks over the last 6 months, just like NZ - and each one has been eliminated down to 0 cases again. Just like NZ. Practically speaking our policies are pretty much the same. And if either country has covid start spreading, I’m sure the international border will close again just like our interstate borders.
Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by spindle on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:09AM (#26709719)
Exactly, and almost all of the relevant government people are organised by state rather than federally.
Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by accountofme on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @07:36AM (#26710636)
In aus, federal govt cares about economic issues... State govt are responsible for public health. Thus the differences in strategy are apparent.
Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by Khaine on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @09:37AM (#26711571)
Not quite. The federal government is responsible for primary care (i.e. seeing your GP through Medicare, Pharmaceuticals through the PBS) and aged care. States are responsible for Hospitals
Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by Gatsky on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:21AM (#26709790)
In the state of Victoria, nearly seven million people were locked down hard for 112 days last year, going from a peak of 6768 active cases to zero. That ain’t suppression.
Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by roca on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @04:48AM (#26709578)
In practice Australia has implemented an elimination strategy. For some reason they don't want to say so.
Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by jfoster on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:12AM (#26709740)
My take on it is that the government may think that under an elimination strategy any community transmission events would be perceived as failures.

The other possibility might be that earlier on in the pandemic they may have thought that a suppression strategy was possible, but it turned out that it's infectious enough and behaves randomly enough (eg. occasionally huge clusters, many cases asymptomatic) that it really doesn't allow much room for suppression strategies & elimination strategies to be much different from each other.

Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by roca on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:23AM (#26709797)
You're probably right on both counts.

I think community transmission is already seen as a failure whether the government likes it or not, so they might as well call it elimination.

Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by tjmc on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @04:44AM (#26709554)
All Australian states other than New South Wales have adopted an elimination strategy as well. Here in Western Australia, we recently had a 5 day lockdown due to a single case of community transmission.
Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by markdown on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @04:58AM (#26709651)
> That said, this isn't just trying to get some tourist dollars into NZ.

I heard that the NZ tourism industry had one of its best years yet in 2020 with all the domestic tourism that went on.

Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by aunty_helen on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:14AM (#26709758)
You've heard wrong. I went to a conference in Queenstown a month ago and the first person that spoke was involved in tourism operations there. The situation was bleak.

Here's the stats: http://snug.org.nz/assets/Uploads/03-SNUG-11-March-2021.pdf

Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by dzhiurgis on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:08AM (#26709716)
Something 90% of tourism of NZ is domestic, so we don't really need more tourists that much.

We do indeed need more immigrants and more housing. First one won't happen as managed isolation facilities will be closed, vaccination is unclear at what stage and skilled-migrant visa class is abolished. Second won't happen as government (incl. Jacinda) is committed to protecting investors from going into negative equity.

Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by roca on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:18AM (#26709771)
> Something 90% of tourism of NZ is domestic,

Possibly true by numbers, but in 2018-2019 tourism revenue was about 60/40 domestic/international. https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/tourism-satel...

> skilled-migrant visa class is abolished

I don't think that's true. https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-...

> government (incl. Jacinda) is committed to protecting investors from going into negative equity.

I would have agreed with you until last week's announcements, but Labour has clearly decided to not chase the votes of property investors.

Re:New Zealand to open quarantine-free “travel bubble” with ... by dzhiurgis on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @06:01AM (#26710030)
Skilled migrant visa is turning into accredited employer visa. Many of my friends who live here are stuck with draconian employers and with salaries they make there's absolutely 0 sight to buy a house.

> Labour has clearly decided to not chase the votes of property investors.

Still investors can use equity as deposit which is gonna keep the train moving up. Plus silly cost of subdividing means you have dairy enjoying million dollar views.