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Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by pessimizer on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:04PM (#26706307)
Black Americans are 0.5% of the population of the world, but fully 8% of its prisoners. Race is certainly relevant when you're talking about the US.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by k33n on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:13PM (#26706396)
Now do crime stats
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by Schiendelman on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:24PM (#26706494)
Poor people commit more crimes.

We made sure black people were poor by enslaving them and then systematically discriminating.

We white people owe the descendants of slaves reparations. Inequality gets worse over generations, not better.

Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by devmunchies on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:00PM (#26706786)
Mormons were prosecuted too. Kicked out of Missouri. They GTFO'd and trekked west and established new settlements. Jews also have a history of prejudice, yet they seem to always leave their next generation better off.

At some point people just have to fight for what's theirs in this world, not always gonna be someone to help us up.

Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by tehwebguy on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @12:49AM (#26708022)
The Mormons kicked out of Missouri were free people before and after. They had access to all kinds of resources, were allowed to get an education, own land, accumulate wealth and (with limited exceptions) vote, etc.

Meanwhile basically all Black people in America were enslaved for the next 30 years, millions died under slavery and millions were suddenly freed and given nothing. "Separate but equal" wasn't even for another 30 years and segregation & Jim Crow were another 70 years after that!

By the time Black people were reasonably allowed to participate in US society, politics & business they had been forcibly held back in the only ways to get ahead (accumulating education, land and money) by hundreds of years.

Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by omegaworks on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @05:54PM (#26717859)
Yes. Any wealth accumulation even by free Black communities was repeatedly undermined and destroyed.

The bombing of Black Wall Street (Greenwood-Tulsa) is the most infamous example: the only air bombings to be set upon the continental United States were a campaign of racial terror.

Numerous examples exist of freedman communities being completely eradicated using public works projects. Entire towns flooded when it came to decisions to create dams and neighborhoods bulldozed when the interstate expressways were run through cities.

https://twitter.com/ericabuddington/status/13752633634716549...

Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by dragonwriter on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @06:02PM (#26717936)
> the only air bombings to be set upon the continental United States were a campaign of racial terror.

They weren't the only aerial bombings in the continental US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing

Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by simoom22 on Monday April 05, 2021 @10:12PM (#26707234)
Yeah, that's really not so different from being sold naked in irons at slave auctions for centuries. Also similar is the way everyone can identify jews by the star on their foreheads, and mormons by the bright glow of their genitals.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by Schiendelman on Monday April 05, 2021 @09:41PM (#26707051)
That view is unreasonable and those are deeply incomparable examples.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by pessimizer on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:38AM (#26713172)
People who aren't arrested and convicted don't show up in crime stats, so crime stats and punishment stats are identical. You're begging the question.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by benlivengood on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:59PM (#26706768)
That begs the question entirely. Only the people convicted of a crime make up the relevant crime statistics.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by knowaveragejoe on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:31PM (#26706560)
Now adjust for context.
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by k33n on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @08:54AM (#26724139)
I just did, and you didn't like it :)
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by knowaveragejoe on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @06:56PM (#26732640)
Race Realism is widely discredited bullshit, thanks
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by k33n on Saturday April 10, 2021 @06:55AM (#26760548)
Hahahaha
Re:Why America's prisons are an unconstitutional moral horro... by tastyfreeze on Monday April 05, 2021 @08:30PM (#26706546)
By income level, ignoring race.