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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by pasquinelli on Sunday April 04, 2021 @10:10PM (#26694640)
the infrastructure will gradually shift from making roads safe for humans to making it safe for robots, meaning it will gradually become hostile to humans. as it gradually gets hostile to humans, they will have to use robots to get around, and so private capital will be able to extract rent from public infrastructure, and the public will still be responsible for maintaining and upgrading that infrastructure, at least until the body is killed by its parasites. isn't that the vision of über, and why so much investment has gone to it? isn't that all big tech does?
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by lalaithion on Sunday April 04, 2021 @10:29PM (#26694726)
Roads are already hostile to humans. We need to make human islands, areas where the roads have been converted into gardens or grassy areas, where people can walk freely without cars. And then make safe, robot friendly ways to transport humans between them.
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by jolux on Monday April 05, 2021 @01:59AM (#26695770)
Or we could just get rid of a lot of cars and use trains for most of our travel.

Relatedly, have you ever looked at the urban planning of Brasilia? Concepts similar to yours have been tried under the high modernism of the mid 20th century.

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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by JKCalhoun on Sunday April 04, 2021 @11:20PM (#26694983)
Sounds like trains, street cars.
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by Geezus_42 on Sunday April 04, 2021 @11:54PM (#26695171)
"train good, car bad"
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by Scarblac on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:37AM (#26696286)
Foot paths, bicycle paths and trains are much more friendly to humans and also cheaper.
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by nullsense on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:53AM (#26696360)
So, parks?
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by 7thaccount on Sunday April 04, 2021 @10:42PM (#26694783)
This already happened a long time ago when the automobile became prevalent.
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by tim333 on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:33AM (#26696595)
>isn't that all big tech does?

Obviously no. Most modern conveniences - electricity, planes, abundant food etc came partly from some form of big tech.

Self driving tech has a chance to fix the 1m+ annual road deaths. Not there yet but give it a while.

Sure some CEOs can the rent seeking etc but that's what competition and regulation are for.

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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by kukx on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:09AM (#26696132)
I think what you are trying to say is that future will look bleak for drivers. It does not mean humans in general though. Drivers will be replaced by more cost efficient and often more reliable robots. But the upside is lower prices, more free time, less stress, less accidents. So it would be a net gain for most of the humans.
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by avereveard on Monday April 05, 2021 @05:09PM (#26704771)
> lower prices

Isn't the USA still waiting for that low price insulin shot?

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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by frenchy on Sunday April 04, 2021 @10:24PM (#26694701)
That sounds like a good business model if you ask me!
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by berkes on Monday April 05, 2021 @04:21AM (#26696512)
It sounds like 'public transport' to me. Which I consider a great idea, and something valuable. But certainly not a good business model.
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by parineum on Sunday April 04, 2021 @11:58PM (#26695191)
The entire purpose of infrastructure is to enable commerce that makes life better for the tax payers who fund it.

Horse and buggy enthusiasts hate semis but people who shop at Amazon love them.

The same goes for people who want self driving cars and the infrastructure they will be supported by. If the world goes that way, it's because the people want it.

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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by tonyedgecombe on Monday April 05, 2021 @02:50AM (#26696034)
It feels like we mostly focus on "to enable commerce" and have completely forgotten "makes life better".
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Re:Tesla owners asking what happens if 'full self driving' i... by parineum on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @06:05PM (#26717952)
Commerce only happens when people buy things they want.
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