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Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by bluGill on Sunday April 04, 2021 @09:27PM (#26694445)
The obvious answer is eventually they will be out of power again and will want it. In fact until a few years ago they had it for judges, but they got rid of it when Republicans filibustered. Then when Trump nominated a judge they didn't like, well they discovered the filibuster was gone by their own doing and they were powerless.
Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by dillondoyle on Monday April 05, 2021 @03:27AM (#26696235)
That's not true. Mitch McConnell got rid of the SCOTUS 'filibuster' lowered it to 51 votes - pretty hypocritically based on his statements but you can't take McConnell's word you have to look at what has power.

Harry Reid previously lowered cloture threshold for non SCOTUS appointments, but only after Republicans act(ed) in bad faith and refused to "Advice and Consent."

They refused to confirm 2 very important seats for 'cost savings' and claimed that the DC circuit was 'underworked.' This is in the context of anti-Obama everything and no matter how milquetoast the nominee was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option#Use_in_2013_and...

Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by pasquinelli on Sunday April 04, 2021 @10:39PM (#26694770)
that obvious answer is not a good one. when democrats got material gains for working people they controlled congress from 1933 to 1980 except for two years. getting rid of the filibuster and packing the supreme court to pass and see to fruition real material gains would make democrats the ruling party for the foreseeable future. they don't do that because that's not what they want.
Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by nickff on Monday April 05, 2021 @12:38AM (#26695404)
You don’t get elected for doing things, you get electing for promising to do things.
Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by brendoelfrendo on Sunday April 04, 2021 @10:49PM (#26694817)
The obvious answer isn't really applicable here, though it does cross the lips of plenty of moderates. The reality is that the Democratic party is forced into being a "big tent" party of "everyone left of the Republicans," which represents a simply massive spectrum, and therefore they have less consensus than the Republican party. Take, for example, Joe Manchin, a Democrat from West Virginia who drew some ire after FiveThirtyEight found he sided with Trump's priorities 58% of the time. He's been vocal that he would never agree to eliminate the filibuster, because he's basically a Republican in all but name.
Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by Naracion on Sunday April 04, 2021 @11:44PM (#26695104)
As an international who is not as familiar with American politics (but wants to understand), why is this comment being down voted? Are the claims incorrect? Are they unsubstantiated?
Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by brendoelfrendo on Sunday April 04, 2021 @11:54PM (#26695165)
As the person who wrote it, I'm not sure; I think this one of those things that's colored by opinion as much as fact. I would like to hear someone say what they think.

The bit about Manchin is fact, though. They can't change the rule without him, and he doesn't want to eliminate the filibuster. He did say that he would consider modifying it to make it more difficult, however.

Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by refurb on Monday April 05, 2021 @02:48AM (#26696024)
It's being downvoted because it ignores the same issues on in the Republican party. Anyone who thinks either party is some monolithic blocks that all votes the same way hasn't been paying attention.
Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by astrange on Monday April 05, 2021 @12:04AM (#26695228)
Manchin is doing theater to appeal to his voter base, who are indeed largely not in his party.

He's being far more cooperative than, say, Liebermann was while passing the ACA, and his actual goal is to say he's fighting those out of control big city liberals by keeping the filibuster, but the changes he'll allow will make it completely different and more or less how it was in the 90s.

Sinema also wants to keep it and seems to actually be a true believer, which is dumb and not even what her voters want, so who knows what's up with that.

Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by brendoelfrendo on Monday April 05, 2021 @12:27AM (#26695359)
I always forget about Sinema, which is something I need to stop doing because, as you say, she's probably the true believer.

I don't think we can be too charitable towards Manchin considering his other stances. That said, you raise a good point: changing the filibuster doesn't really change his position; he's still an essential vote to pass any legislation in a tied senate, so he benefits from either outcome. I suppose, all other things being equal, it makes sense for him to nominally oppose ending the filibuster for the sake of his base.

Re:New HIV vaccine with a 97% antibody response rate in phas... by Rule35 on Monday April 05, 2021 @12:40AM (#26695417)
Because they're just as correct when you switch the labels.

With two parties both jockey for position in being as close to center as possible while still appearing unique. To leave the center is to sacrifice those voters to the opposition. This is why first past the post voting is stable yet nearly useless.

Democrats consist of actual liberals, marxists, authoritatians, etc.

Republicans consist of actual fiscal conservatives, the religious, libertarians, etc.

Both are unhappy alliances and occasionally fracture and spill one of these constituencies and the opposition rushes to appeal to them.