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Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by em-bee on Sunday April 04, 2021 @08:23AM (#26688878)
as i understand it, while ships go through the canal, they are accompanied by a local guide who i believe takes over control of the ship.

so even if this was human error, it's not likely that the actual captain was responsible. but i can also imagine that a guide, while familiar with the local conditions was less familiar with the ship itself, a ship that large, which has a different response time than smaller ships. this alone should increase the risk for innocent mistakes. so i find it hard to believe that there should be anyone to blame.

Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by algorias on Sunday April 04, 2021 @08:31AM (#26688918)
You are correct, this "guide" is called a pilot, and exists for every port and canal.

However, you're wrong about ship size being a problem. A suez canal pilot is guaranteed to be very familiar with container ships of the suezmax size, specially considering that to become a pilot, you have to have been a captain yourself.

Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by macspoofing on Sunday April 04, 2021 @08:26AM (#26688894)
>it's not likely that the actual captain was responsible.

It'll be interesting how it plays out, but the captain is ultimately responsible and can overrule the 'guide'. So the captain is not off the hook here.

Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by em-bee on Sunday April 04, 2021 @08:33AM (#26688925)
good point. but when it comes to slow reaction times, if the guide is giving the wrong order, by the time the captain can counteract that it may be to late.

but you are right. we'll just have to wait until we know more about what really happened

Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by macspoofing on Sunday April 04, 2021 @08:50AM (#26689035)
>we'll just have to wait until we know more about what really happened

No doubt. This is going to take years to sort out. The Egyption government has a lot of power here because they can simply bar Evergreen Marine from crossing the Suez and ostensibly destroy them as a business ... but then they wouldn't get anything either. Most likely it will be quietly settled in a way that all sides save face, especially if the appointed guides made a mistake.

Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by why_Mr_Anderson on Sunday April 04, 2021 @08:53AM (#26689049)
Not sure if reaction time plays any role when talking about ship this size. It takes time for it to respond for any command, e.g. course change.
Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by s_fischer on Sunday April 04, 2021 @11:25AM (#26690159)
I'm not even remotely qualified on anything ship related so my question might be totally pointless.

But by your logic, couldn't one argue that reaction time plays a rather large role? If you are navigating a narrow canal with thin margins for error, wouldn't you need good timing to start a manuever at a certain point so that the ship is able to respond by the time that you need to truly adjust it's position? If some sort of weather event/anomaly caused an unexpected change of course, wouldn't reaction time be even more critical because you have less time to make a correction if you don't act immediately?

Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by why_Mr_Anderson on Sunday April 04, 2021 @11:34AM (#26690246)
What I was trying to say was that even if the captain instantly tried to reverse the course, ship has already started to move and due to size its momentum is enormous.
Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by em-bee on Sunday April 04, 2021 @11:21AM (#26690130)
fair point. you are right. reaction time works both ways. if it takes long to counteract a problem, it also takes time for there to be a problem to begin with

i don't have any experience with ships larger than a small sailing yacht myself and i guess, either you see a problem coming, then you have enough time to react, or you don't see it, and then it's to late either way.

Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by dathinab on Sunday April 04, 2021 @08:42AM (#26688986)
while pilots take over it's under supervision of the captain, the captain still bares responsibility.

The ship size is also common for the canal, pilots are trained especially to be able to route such big ships through the canal.

But it still likely a chain of bad coincidences which you can't really blame on anyone. Including a unusual strong sandstorm and an engine failure as far as I can tell.

It literally might have been sand storm => engine failure due to sandstorm (air intake getting clogged up or similar) => wind moves ship onto shore without anyone being able to do anything against it. Not I said it might. It needs a proper investigation as far as I can tell.

Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by gambiting on Sunday April 04, 2021 @08:27AM (#26688901)
The ship had a blackout, so not sure what could be done to avoid grounding it. Ultimately the captain is responsible for the technical state of the ship.
Re:Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal' by frosted-flakes on Sunday April 04, 2021 @08:44AM (#26689006)
The allegations that the Ever Given lost power have been denied by Evergreen.