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Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by jpm_sd on Monday March 29, 2021 @01:54PM (#26625647)
(2012)

It also interferes with GPS and Iridium. USB3 is a broadband jammer.

Previous thread on the subject: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24707479

Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by voqv on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:43PM (#26626379)
Experienced terrible headaches trying to fix issues with GPS and USB3 at work. I was also surprised by how sparse information online was. Almost all mentions came from random drone hobbyist's forums when I was searching some time ago.
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by pgorczak on Monday March 29, 2021 @04:15PM (#26627595)
Same here while working on a UAV even though the GPS module was mounted about 20 cm away from the single board computer. We looked at it with a spectrum analyzer back in the lab and the USB 3.0 ports really sent out some wide band interference that covered the GPS bands. Using USB 2 cables fixed it (apart from USB being really not great mechanically for a combustion engine powered UAV).
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by sebastos on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:36PM (#26627122)
Yup, this is well known in the small UAS industry at this point, and I was part of a lab that lived through that "wtf, how does nobody talk about this" experience. It seems like many folks in the space have learned this the hard way.
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by Badfood on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:15PM (#26626856)
I make gps enabled cameras and am battling with RFI from USB3. Juat ordered a bunch of chokes to try on cables to mitigate. Im surprised this level of RFI is allowed. Either that or these devices aren't being tested properly. Like they are powered up for testing but aren't used with actual data being sent to and from them
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by bradfa on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:28PM (#26627027)
In my experience, USB connected products are EMI tested only with the cable shipped with the product in the box and used per the product instructions or in a "typical" use. Quite a decent amount of effort and cost is spent for some products to ensure that the cable which ships with the product will properly comply with all regulations regarding interference in the countries in which the product is sold.

There's no way a manufacturer could be expected to EMI test a product in every conceivable way a customer might wish to use it. For many products there's simply too many combinations of use-cases or features. So the rules generally require to test in a typical customer use or by following the instructions for use which come with the product.

As soon as you start using cables which didn't come with the product, it's on you to ensure that the emissions of the new cable and the product don't combine to cause problems.

Some cables (not just USB cables) are utter crap for interference.

Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by Johnythree on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @05:53AM (#26632769)
A well designed product will have good shielding and PCB design, and effective low-pass-filters, all of which keep the stray interference within the enclosure. It should not rely on the cable to meet EMC testing, and the test protocol should define a suitable generic cable.

If it does require a particular cable, then the cable should not be removable.

Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by bradfa on Tuesday March 30, 2021 @08:15AM (#26633691)
In an ideal world, I agree with you. But if you ever try to make a mass market USB device you will quickly learn that the computers which your customers will connect your device to and the cables which your customers will use will greatly vary in terms of quality and compliance to the specs.
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by Johnythree on Wednesday March 31, 2021 @01:09AM (#26643738)
If we had appropriate EMC standards, then this wouldn't be an issue.

Shonky manufactures wouldn't be able to gain advantage by cutting corners.

The standard EMC tests should be specified using generic cables, connectors, etc.

Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by Pokepokalypse on Monday March 29, 2021 @05:22PM (#26628323)
"allowed" on unregulated spectrum.
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by anamexis on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:48PM (#26626456)
Are you suggesting that you got headaches from radio interference?
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by jandrese on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:52PM (#26626531)
I think he was speaking metaphorically about having to fix equipment that was interfering with neighboring equipment.
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by anamexis on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:04PM (#26626725)
Ahh, this makes more sense.
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by neon_electro on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:52PM (#26626521)
I think they're suggesting that they do professional work on/with GPS and USB3.0.
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by voqv on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:16PM (#26626878)
As others have said. I edited the post for clarity.
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by ilogik on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:52PM (#26626522)
your GPS device doesn't actually transmit anything
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by fortran77 on Monday March 29, 2021 @05:05PM (#26628163)
You can fix that! Get a BladeRF, HackRF, LimeSDR, and you can transmit your own GPS signals:

https://github.com/osqzss/gps-sdr-sim

(Seriously: Don't do this unless you're taking extreme care not to radiate outside your lab.)

Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by LeoPanthera on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:57PM (#26626626)
I believe he meant that USB 3 devices were effectively jamming GPS receivers.
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by voqv on Monday March 29, 2021 @03:17PM (#26626898)
Yeah, it receives things.
Re:USB 3.0* Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices ... by piannucci on Monday March 29, 2021 @02:32PM (#26626223)
I work at a lab where this is a major nuisance.

I’ve been wondering whether the clock spreading in the USB standard could be manipulated to notch out certain frequencies, like in noise shaping for ADCs.