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Re:Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web by sangnoir on Friday March 26, 2021 @02:06PM (#26595086)
The current anti-trust doctrine in the US has a goal of protecting consumers - not competition. What Google is doing is arguably great for consumers but awful to their competitors/other organizations. Technically, companies can simply block Google using robots.txt - but in reality that will lose them more money than the current partial disintermediation by Google is costing them - and Google knows this.

It's a tall order to convince the courts that Google's actions consumers, or is illegal: after all, being innovative in ways that may end up hurting the competition is a key feature of a capitalist society - proving that a line has been crossed is really hard, by design.

Re:Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web by speeder on Friday March 26, 2021 @02:30PM (#26595297)
consumers are in this case the advertisers.

google has a monopoly on search ads and does enforce it, being a drain on the economy since in many fields you only succeed if you spend on search ads

Re:Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web by sangnoir on Friday March 26, 2021 @03:21PM (#26595867)
> consumers are in this case the advertisers.

If someone could convince the courts that this is correct, then I'm sure Google would lose. However, I bet dollars to donuts Google's counter-arguement would be that the people doing the searching and quickly finding information are also consumers, and they outnumber advertisers and may be harmed by any proposed remediation in favor of advertisers.

Re:Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web by basch on Friday March 26, 2021 @04:14PM (#26596408)
googles answer to this at yesterdays hearing..

Search isnt a single category. If you break it down, they arent a monopoly. For example. 1/2 of PRODUCT SEARCHES begin on Amazon. It's probably hard to argue Google as a monopoly if who they see as their main competitor has half the market share.

Re:Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web by smaryjerry on Saturday March 27, 2021 @10:32AM (#26602527)
The US is so behind in identifying markets in technology which is what is leading to this dominance by a few companies and their resulting monopoly like power. We had already figured out that you can be dominant in only a subset of a market. For example Disney was forced to sell off fox sports channels when it purchased fox because it already owned espn and would have dominated sports TV. That’s the thing it wasn’t even just TV but a subset, sports TV. That identification is where we are behind. As of now no, one in the FTC knows what makes a market or why say YouTube and Facebook may both show large amounts of video content but are absolutely not competitors in video content space. It is because the functions are completely different. YouTube is barely a social network at all despite having users and comments and pages. Facebook is hardly a video platform at all because it isn’t profitable for users to focus on Facebook videos and make ad money.
Re:Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web by sn_master on Friday March 26, 2021 @10:51PM (#26599477)
Anecdotally, its true for books too. Amazon is a great way to figure out which books are the best reviewed before deciding to get one (whether paper, kindle or 'other means').
Re:Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web by jacquesm on Friday March 26, 2021 @07:47PM (#26598371)
That's so disingenuous there should be a new term for it.
Re:Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web by sitkack on Friday March 26, 2021 @10:11PM (#26599243)
gSplain or gWash
Re:Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web by anoncake on Saturday March 27, 2021 @06:20AM (#26601280)
Which is shortsighted. If competition did not benefit consumers, there would be no need for it anyway.
Re:Only Google is really allowed to crawl the web by throwaway_kufu on Saturday March 27, 2021 @12:10PM (#26603318)
Anti-trust above all recognizes competition benefits consumers. And so “unfairly competing” is prohibited, because it is bad for the market, thus bad for consumers.