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Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by Animats on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @07:04PM (#26574204)
A lot of people were hoping someone would come up with a better way to make "extreme ultraviolet" (soft x-rays, really) light than the horrible kludge used now.[1] Syncrotrons were tried. (Whatever happened to Lyncean?[2]) What's used now looks like a physics experiment, not a production process. Drops of tin are hit with lasers to emit X-rays, which are then focused with mirrors on the mask and wafer. This takes a setup the size of a house that produces very little power at the output end.

Much of the industry was hoping something better would come along. But so far, it hasn't.

[1] https://strobe.colorado.edu/wp-content/uploads/STROBE_ASML-E...

[2] https://lynceantech.com/

Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by derefr on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @09:15PM (#26575404)
What's stopping them from using hard x-rays? Those are really easy to emit. (Genuine question; not trying to suggest that they're all idiots who just never considered using hard x-rays.)
Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by CamperBob2 on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @10:51PM (#26576014)
Interaction with the mask material, I imagine. With hard x-rays, most of the photons generated will just sail right through, not interacting at all, or (worse) ionize the material being exposed.

Personally, I'm surprised that there aren't ways to generate this energy by nonlinear mixing of light from two lasers that are separated by the desired frequency.

Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by mjevans on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:18PM (#26576215)
Lasers are an Electro-Magnetic emission of which the output is a synchronized at a specific and regular frequency.

If you have two lasers at about 700nm and 1000nm, and they 'start' at a synchronized point, then 7mm (7000nm) of emission later they'd have a repeat of the cycle begin again.

During that cycle the interference pattern would probably have an interesting shape, but I very much doubt it'd be useful for semiconductor production. Maybe a math or physics graduate could elaborate on if there's a name for this kind of pattern and if there are any uses I'm not aware of.

Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by namibj on Thursday March 25, 2021 @02:29AM (#26577102)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_lithography exists, but it only uses a single laser with beam splitters, and typically for creating large diffraction gratings and such.
Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by jleahy on Thursday March 25, 2021 @10:53AM (#26581011)
That’s a linear mixing, non-linear allows for the absorption of two photons followed by the emission of one with twice the energy. That allows for a laser pumped frequency doubler.

Actually most consumer oriented lasers (for example green lasers) work like this, but I don’t know if it works for frequencies as high as soft x-rays.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-harmonic_generation

Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by GlennS on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @10:11PM (#26575807)
Presumably difficult to make a material that can focus them?
Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by keanebean86 on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @08:35PM (#26575065)
An option would be to replace the laser and tin with some tape. [1] I know tape is a consumable item but is considerably less professional compared to a laser.

[1] https://www.nature.com/news/2008/081022/full/news.2008.1185....

Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by godelski on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @09:38PM (#26575576)
A laser is not just light. It is a specific wavelength. X-Rays are a spectrum. The EUV/soft X-ray is a part of that spectrum. There's also other properties that you want from the laser. But this tape-x-rays won't be easy to control or uniform in wavelength. Making it not a laser, even if you could collimate it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser

Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by keanebean86 on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:15PM (#26576195)
Thanks for this info. I assumed there was a specific reason they used this setup. I was joking about using tape.

Too bad we can't make x-ray leds.

Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by Animats on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @09:57PM (#26575720)
It's easier to generate hard X-rays than EUV. An X-ray tube is just an electron gun and a copper target.
Re:Intel chief Pat Gelsinger: Too many chips made in Asia by Element_ on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @11:33PM (#26576300)
Wow that's the most interesting power point I have viewed in a long time! What a complex machine!