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Re:DARPA now has AI-controlled F-16s working as a team in vi... by Teever on Monday March 22, 2021 @11:51PM (#26550890)
> I would expect the people who wrote the AI would impose on it constraints to avoid this

The devil is in the details.

What if the AI decides that the course of action that leads to the desired outcome of winning the conflict is to kill civilians but it is also aware that outright killing civilians is against the law or will be ignored by the decision making human so it instead decides to recommend a series of strikes that indirectly lead to a large famine which results in the death of the civilians and winning the conflict?

Who is to blame there? Is this outcome desirable?

Re:DARPA now has AI-controlled F-16s working as a team in vi... by mpalmer on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @12:10AM (#26551011)
They sort of address this -

"To be actually a useful tool to military commanders, you want an AI which [...] gives them a reasoned opinion on which of the various options they are considering is most advisable."

With that (far more sophisticated) AI system, leadership could just de-prioritize options with excessive risk of civilian casualty.

Re:DARPA now has AI-controlled F-16s working as a team in vi... by skissane on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @12:14AM (#26551035)
The other day I was looking at this – http://www.datalex.org/ [0] – presented with a situation, it asks you questions about it, and then generates a legal opinion on your situation. It shows all its reasoning (in natural language) to arrive at that legal opinion. That's the same basic thing a human advisor does – if you get a formal legal opinion from a lawyer, it doesn't just give you the conclusion, it also explains the arguments and reasoning and considerations it used to arrive at that conclusion.

So I don't see why a strategic military advice platform couldn't do the same basic thing.

[0] Here's a working example: http://beta.datalex.org/app/?rulebase=http://austlii.communi...

Re:DARPA now has AI-controlled F-16s working as a team in vi... by dorgo on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @01:29PM (#26557647)
It sound more like a prolog program. It takes a set of rules and facts and can infer other facts from there and show you all the steps of the process. Although it is a branch of AI it is not what one thinks of nowdays hearing the term AI. One thinks of some fancy powerful self learning black box, which can do miracles but can't explain how it does it.
Re:DARPA now has AI-controlled F-16s working as a team in vi... by Teever on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @12:29AM (#26551134)
I'll rephrase what I'm saying.

What if the AI lies?

What if the AI lies and civilians die because of it?

Re:DARPA now has AI-controlled F-16s working as a team in vi... by adrianN on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @12:57AM (#26551288)
I think we're pretty far away from the kind of AI that could intentionally trick its operators to achieve a goal.
Re:DARPA now has AI-controlled F-16s working as a team in vi... by FeepingCreature on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @12:22AM (#26551087)
Giving a reasoned opinion is a huge unsolved problem in AI.
Re:DARPA now has AI-controlled F-16s working as a team in vi... by mpalmer on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @09:20AM (#26554613)
Yes, and I referred to that hypothetical AI as "far more sophisticated".
Re:DARPA now has AI-controlled F-16s working as a team in vi... by duxup on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @12:31AM (#26551143)
>What if the AI decides that the course of action that leads to the desired outcome of winning the conflict is to kill civilians

I always figured that was what happened in the film Colossus: The Forbin Project, the computer(s) found a way to ensure / prevent a nuclear war / peace, by taking control of the nuclear arsenals on their own and ensuring peace via their own threat of nuclear weapons.

Re:DARPA now has AI-controlled F-16s working as a team in vi... by numpad0 on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @03:33AM (#26552098)
> the desired outcome of winning the conflict

Requires political victory. War is extension of politics, not alien invasion defense.

Thus, a planning AI that can handle tactical targeting task but can’t handle politics probably “can’t war” going by definitions.