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Re:What is consciousness? Some new perspectives from our phy... by nahuel0x on Monday March 22, 2021 @04:18PM (#26546330)
But to feel is the core of consciousness/qualia. You can postulate free will as an illusion, but is harder with consciousness.
Re:What is consciousness? Some new perspectives from our phy... by vletal on Monday March 22, 2021 @04:50PM (#26546816)
Exactly.

I struggle hard with this topic. I feel like being here, perceiving the world. Yet, if I simulated every molecule of my body, the simulated me would seemingly "feel" the same things, think likewise.

It feels there is more to "me" than what would be of the _simulated_ me. On the other hand I see no way to prove so.

Re:What is consciousness? Some new perspectives from our phy... by EMM_386 on Monday March 22, 2021 @05:20PM (#26547285)
> Yet, if I simulated every molecule of my body

This gets into the concept of free will.

If you have free will, then it is your own conscious decisions that are affecting the universe, and not the universe affecting your conscious decisions.

In this scenario, you can't "simulate every molecule" of your body, because that simulation will have to include whether or not you decided to touch that hot stove. And that decision rested solely with you, in your mind.

If we do not have free will, and this whole thing is "on rails", then we are essentially watching an elaborate movie play out that we have no control over.

Re:What is consciousness? Some new perspectives from our phy... by Afton on Monday March 22, 2021 @05:58PM (#26547841)
I don't see how this is related. I subscribe simultaneously to 'qualia is a real problem' and 'free will is an incoherent term'.

I think whether you think a perfect simulation of a person has subjective experiences depends on what you think the substrate of that subjectivity is. If you think of it as a computational property then you'll be inclined to say "no, that simulation is experiencing things". If you think it is some kind of fundamental property of the universe, like pan-psychism, then you'll think the simulation is 'missing' subjectivity. Nothing in there about free will in my thinking.

Re:What is consciousness? Some new perspectives from our phy... by JackFr on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @09:23AM (#26554646)
Consider the possibility that your brain is a liar.

Maybe our brains, as an evolutionary strategy, have tricked us into believing that the universe is fundamentally knowable and that the brain is the only reliable knowledge machine.

How would you know it's not true?