Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets will not be competitive

Re:Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets wi... by throwaway0a5e on Monday March 22, 2021 @01:41PM (#26544000)

Of all the people to be beholden to for space launches the billionaire who wants to go to mars seems like the least worst option. Better than any nation state certainly.

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Re:Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets wi... by Ajedi32 on Monday March 22, 2021 @02:08PM (#26544432)

Being beholden to SpaceX also means being beholden to the United States, since SpaceX is based there and can't easily move elsewhere due to ITAR.

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Re:Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets wi... by NoOneNew on Monday March 22, 2021 @02:17PM (#26544570)

I agree with your logic 100%... but are SpaceX's rockets ITAR? I legit dont know. If they were eventually going to hold a nuke on the tip or used as Space Force transpo, I wouldn't bother asking. I just haven't heard DoD interest yet, but I've also not paid too close of an eye on the matter... as I live in viewing distance of rocket launches... god damn they're annoying at this point. Then again, NASA usage... is that instant ITAR stamp too?

But some backdoor US influence to say,"Hey, that country? Yea, fuck those guys. They dont get to use shit." I see that as a possibility.

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Re:Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets wi... by Ajedi32 on Monday March 22, 2021 @02:37PM (#26544875)

I think it's pretty safe to assume that any device that could be converted into an ICBM with minimal effort would be covered under ITAR.

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Re:Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets wi... by Badfood on Monday March 22, 2021 @02:30PM (#26544769)

ITAR is surprisingly broad. It covers a lot of stuff that no one cares is restricted, but that just gets ignored.

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Re:Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets wi... by cryptonector on Monday March 22, 2021 @08:55PM (#26549596)

> but are SpaceX's rockets ITAR? I legit dont know.

The technology absolutely is classified. Elon can't reincorporate in Mexico or any other country and take the knowledge and know-how and plans and workers with him. He could go and start from scratch, but there's a good chance that the U.S. would treat that as espionage or worse.

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Re:Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets wi... by verdverm on Monday March 22, 2021 @02:47PM (#26545017)

https://futurism.com/spacex-building-military-rocket-to-ship...

SpaceX signed a contract with the Pentagon

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Re:Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets wi... by NoOneNew on Monday March 22, 2021 @06:07PM (#26547952)

Alright, nevermind then. I see the ITAR rubberstamp is nicely well warn over there. ITAR all the things.

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Re:Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets wi... by Seb-C on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @05:45AM (#26565207)

Elon musk said a few years ago during a conference that he wasn't even allowed to hire non-US-citizens because of this.

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Re:Concern in Europe that the Ariane 6 and Vega-C rockets wi... by trident5000 on Monday March 22, 2021 @02:16PM (#26544549)

Guess other countries need to embolden their entrepreneurs and risk takers to compete or something.

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