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Re:Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental... by Apocryphon on Sunday March 21, 2021 @02:06AM (#26528445)
Did you even read the article? Because you seem to be addressing a generic “Silicon Valley the place is dead” clickbait article rather than an in-depth thoughtful essay about the state of the tech industry and how it might transform as more sciences beyond computing come to prominence.

As detailed as your comment is, it doesn’t seem germane to the OP at all and appears to be responding to merely the title and the identity of the author.

Re:Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental... by dang on Sunday March 21, 2021 @02:25AM (#26528513)
"Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that.""

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental... by Apocryphon on Sunday March 21, 2021 @02:30AM (#26528535)
Very well, next time I will simply state “the article doesn’t mention any of that, you have clearly not read it, and you are using this comment thread as a personal soapbox to broadcast your own opinions about a subject that is orthogonal to the actual link, sucking up valuable discussion that could be actually relevant and addresses the article at hand.”
Re:Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental... by dang on Sunday March 21, 2021 @02:58AM (#26528627)
Ok, I see what you mean and realize that I didn't really read your comment beyond the trigger phrase at the beginning. Yes, generic top subthreads that don't really address the article, but rather get sucked straight into $predictable-thing-people-always-argue-about, are indeed one of the biggest problems on HN and I'm constantly trying to convince people not to go there.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Still, please don't "Did you even read the article"—it doesn't help. However, if you (or anyone) notice one of these generic subthreads sitting at the top of a thread, gathering mass and choking out more interesting discussion, there actually is something super helpful you can do: email [email protected] to let us know. We downweight those, and doing that is perhaps the single best moderation thing we can do in large threads. It makes a huge difference.

Just please remember that the problem is a co-creation, and the bulk of it is caused not by the root generic comment but by the upvotes they routinely attract. It's more a tragedy-of-the-commons thing and not worth taking out on any individual user. The solution is moderation, i.e. a module whose job it is to watch over the main system and jiggle it out of its failure modes.

I plan to add software so that users can help identify and downweight these generic subthreads. Pending that, though, emails [email protected] alerting us to these are greatly, fabulously appreciated.

Re:Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental... by Apocryphon on Sunday March 21, 2021 @03:05AM (#26528654)
I understand, it’s incredibly dispiriting to see long written comments that grab a bunch of upvotes yet have absolutely nothing to do with the OP kill off all the interest in the actual article. Can they simply be flagged?

Though admittedly this article would probably be easier to approach if it was broken up into four parts that could each be addressed in different threads.

Re:Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental... by dang on Sunday March 21, 2021 @03:26AM (#26528728)
You can flag them because generic tangents are against the site guidelines. It might help, but when they're at the top of a thread, the upvotes will most likely dominate the flags. That's why moderator intervention is needed.

Btw, a lot of the time these comments are perfectly fine as long as they're halfway down the page. Humans like to talk and we naturally talk about what we already know, and repeat things we've said or felt many times before—it's just the way we are. The problem comes more because people upvote the familiar (because hey! I feel that way too!), and then suddenly the more boring category (regurgitating the familiar) chokes out the more interesting one (new and unpredictable information). In most cases that wasn't the commenter's intention. The solution is for a countervailing mechanism, like downweights, to dampen the effect of this suboptimal one. Unfortunately that still requires moderator intervention, which is a bottleneck.