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Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by wetmore on Thursday March 18, 2021 @06:02PM (#26508022)
I mean they are stereotypes about a particular minority group. Of course they don't read the same when you replace them with phrases that are not stereotypes about the majority group.
Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by rsj_hn on Thursday March 18, 2021 @08:14PM (#26508978)
It's a strange value system to think that expressing racism directed against a larger group of people is a less serious offense than expressing racism directed against a smaller group. I will never understand people who justify racism this way. If anything, it is a more severe offense to insult a larger group of people, but one can be idealistic and argue that insulting a race should not depend on the size of the race.
Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by Apocryphon on Thursday March 18, 2021 @08:22PM (#26509028)
Larger groups of people tend to be able to defend themselves more easily than smaller groups. There's a power differential in numbers. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it's probably based in the same sort of logic that is behind guarding against the tyranny of the majority.

It's the concept of punching up vs. punching down. Except in some cases like, Saddam Hussein's minority Sunni dictatorship over mostly-Shia Iraq, historically majority populations do better than minority ones. So they have less to lose when offended.

Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by rsj_hn on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:25PM (#26509659)
"Punching up" is just an excuse for racism. See Matt Taibbi's review of some popular pro-racism books here: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/on-white-fragility

I recommend watching the excellent BBC documentary World At War (1973) -- You can watch it on Daily Motion (c.f. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3p7c46). They had western reporters interview Nazi officials asking them to explain all the anti-jewish policies, and the answer is basically "We're punching up." They argued that jews were overrepresented and had too much power in German society; "we are merely righting the balance".

In fact, if you talk to any racist, they will give you plenty of reasons explaining why the group of people they hate deserve to be hated and that he is merely "righting the balance". Everyone believes they are acting in the name of ultimate justice and that the hated group is deserving of the abuse.

So I would recommend some self-reflection before making excuses for hate. None of these excuses are valid, they have all been tried before, and all these ideas such as "punching up" have been discredited since the 40s. Those sympathetic to Hitlerian race theory should not be sources of moral or ethical guidance.

Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by Apocryphon on Thursday March 18, 2021 @10:32PM (#26509691)
I gave no excuses, simply a rationale. Your counter example is also invalid, as Jews were clearly a minority in Germany, and a historically disadvantaged one at that.
Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by rsj_hn on Thursday March 18, 2021 @11:49PM (#26510012)
Numerical minority or majority is just one possible criteria for defining power and influence, and given that it is up the person justifying the hate to define their own criteria, they will pick whatever is convenient. E.g. over-representation in key areas is enough.

But if you think a numerical majority is the sole basis for "punching up", then the Peninsulares must have been punching up against native born citizens in Gran Colombia. Or the Jacobins must have been punching up against the peasant-farmers in France. Or the urban Chinese Communists must have been punching up against farmers in the provinces. So of course, these criteria are picked when convenient and discarded otherwise.

Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by Apocryphon on Thursday March 18, 2021 @11:58PM (#26510047)
Again, I mentioned the Jews in Germany were also historically disadvantaged, so even by my exact wording you are failing to address the complete statement.

That said, I never said I subscribe to the theory, I’m simply explaining it. Perhaps you should save your half-arguments for someone who’s espousing it.

Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by jacobriis on Thursday March 18, 2021 @06:20PM (#26508130)
Everything but the eye remark could apply to white people: "Stupid white TA," "Like an old white woman," and "Outdone by White #whatsnew."

And the weeping and gnashing of teeth has nothing to do with making remarks about a "particular minority group." If she were studying abroad in China and said the same things about a "particular majority group," I doubt it would save her back in the US.

Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by ipsocannibal on Thursday March 18, 2021 @06:56PM (#26508415)
If she were studying abroad in China and posted this I doubt the Chinese would care. They don't share the same sensibilities about identity and race as the west. To project these sensibilities on to them is kind of racist in and of itself.

Of course the point is moot because most Western social media is blocked in China anyway.

Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by FooBarBizBazz on Thursday March 18, 2021 @11:38PM (#26509957)
They don't truly care, but they will cynically pretend to "share the same sensibilities" when it seems useful. Chinese propaganda brands forced sterilization as "female empowerment", and denounces other things it doesn't like as "white supremacy". They see an ideological vulnerability and they try to exploit it.
Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by ipsocannibal on Friday March 19, 2021 @12:12AM (#26510098)
I don't disagree with your statement but I think we should be specific in describing this as a CCP tactic. The people and their government are not one and the same or always of a like mind.
Re:Teen Vogue Editor Resigns After Fury over Racist Tweets by FooBarBizBazz on Friday March 19, 2021 @01:04AM (#26510304)
Absolutely, we should be clear about that, especially right now. Point well taken.