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Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by iijj on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:44PM (#26497146)
Maybe I don't understand it correctly, but after having recently done my taxes, it seems to me you'd generate a capital gain or loss that has to be captured on IRS Form 8949 every time such a thing triggered bitcoin to be converted to USD, goods or services.

Or is it some nudge-nudge-wink-wink situation where everyone, including the IRS, ignores such a thing unless the sums involved are large.

Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by rawtxapp on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:54PM (#26497244)
Because of the open nature of the blockchain, the IRS knows all your exact movements, so there's no nudge-nudge-wink-wink especially if you have tied your real identity to a Bitcoin address using a centralized exchange.

Presumably, tools like cointracker (maybe even Visa themselves), etc, will take care of reporting these taxes for you, still a pita, but doable.

Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by pmastela on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @06:12PM (#26497410)
> open nature of the blockchain

Only some are open. Take a look at Monero. There's a bounty out to make transactions on it traceable [1].

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25752042

Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by qeternity on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @07:47PM (#26498209)
Or maybe nobody really wants to spend Bitcoin because its only use-case is wild speculation and this is just a marketing stunt on Visa’s behalf.
Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by imtringued on Thursday March 18, 2021 @06:50AM (#26501370)
People will spend Bitcoin, grudgingly (remember the pizza? what a fool, never spend your Bitcoin!), thanks to Visa people will actually be able to spend it. Thanks to Visa Bitcoin will not be decentralized anymore either.
Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by qeternity on Thursday March 18, 2021 @09:46AM (#26502617)
Why would you do this unless you literally had no fiat.

Bitcoin’s only killer feature for 99% of people is number go up. If people are hodling and and don’t want to sell, they won’t want to spend it either (it’s the same thing).

If people want to sell, they will just so it on exchange so that they don’t have to go through the hassle of getting fiat back on exchange.

There is literally no advantage to this except for a fuzzy feeling some people might get. Maybe that’s enough, what do I know. But this does not fit in the with digital gold narrative. Nobody walks around with a card trying to pay with fractional gold ounces.

They’re just trying to ride the hype train.

Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by MrMan on Thursday March 18, 2021 @01:20PM (#26505080)
If it keeps going up why does decentralization matter? Poor people are decentralized, I don't know any rich people who are decentralized
Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by tarsinge on Thursday March 18, 2021 @03:05AM (#26500276)
That’s what I don’t get too. Here is France the law is similar, and I can’t imagine card holders calculating the capital gains on every transaction. Here it requires taking a snapshot of your portfolio every time because you have to know the total value of the portfolio to calculate the taxable gain.
Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by alexmingoia on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:01PM (#26499329)
What people do is take out a loan in USD against their bitcoin, and spend that. This is all done instantly and automatically by various wallet apps that let you spend you Bitcoin as USD.
Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by MrMan on Thursday March 18, 2021 @01:21PM (#26505092)
This is a risk less trade
Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by dankerr on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:55PM (#26499545)
My CPA added up all my yearly Bitcoin transactions and only filled in one line on that form.. he wrote the dates as "various".
Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by tim333 on Thursday March 18, 2021 @05:36PM (#26507821)
One idea is to average out a bunch of small trades to one made up large trade with the same overall gain. I think it's very unlikely if investigated they'd say we're doing you because you declared a £10k gain when really you made a £10k gain but with slightly different details. At least in the UK. Other places may be more uptight.
Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by flyingfences on Thursday March 18, 2021 @08:11AM (#26501828)
Please let us know how that works out for you...
Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by boring_twenties on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @11:12PM (#26499374)
This is true, and a hassle, but not totally insurmountable. For myself, I handle this with a couple of short scripts.
Re:Visa Plans to Enable Bitcoin Payments at 70M Merchants by luxuryballs on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @05:48PM (#26497186)
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