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Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by tehwebguy on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @05:41PM (#26483424)
Full headline: "Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Messages, Arrested 48 People"

From the article: "Around the world, there are approximately 171,000 SKY ECC telephones in service [...] Each month, around 70,000 of these phones actively communicate on the SKY ECC network [...] More than 1.2 million euros, 15 prohibited weapons, including six firearms, eight luxury vehicles, three machines used to count money, police uniforms and GPS beacons were also seized today"

Doesn't sound like a great hit rate to me!

What do you reckon the 9 non-firearm prohibited weapons are, trebuchets? Medieval flails? Clubs with nails in them?

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by shirro on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:44PM (#26485543)
There was a much publicised terrorist raid in Australia where the police raided a suspected Muslim terrorist and proudly displayed an evidence bag containing a sword which turned out to be a common Shiite plastic decoration that wasn't sharp enough to cut a cucumber. Their suspect was released with no charges but it didn't give me a lot of confidence in their capability to protect the public from real dangers.

I still find it amusing when I go into a store here and use self-checkouts and there are messages aimed at people in neighboring states advising them that plastic picnic cutlery can't be purchased by people under the age of 16. I am sure the intention is good but legislators and law enforcement often seem to do things with no obvious benefit.

You have to take a kid's gell blaster down to the cop shop and register it as a class A firearm which puts it in the same category as a rifle or shotgun that isn't self loading. Now I get that you don't want people waving replica firearms at the police and getting shot for their stupidity but this isn't a lethal device. It is toy that is intended to be shot at people for fun. You would think adding a visual indication distinguishing it as a toy would be sufficient. I fully support gun control but this is crazy even to me.

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by klyrs on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:11PM (#26483858)
There are some pretty silly weapon prohibitions out there. In Canada, the list includes some familiar ones like brass knuckles and butterfly knives... and yes, it appears that flails are on the list. Trebuchets, ballistas and catapults appear to be legal here.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-462/f...

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by monkeybutton on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:35PM (#26484117)
>Any instrument or device commonly known as “shuriken”

I can now walk confidently at night knowing I'm safe from Ninjas

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by TheSpiceIsLife on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:55PM (#26484295)
Law abiding ninjas.

You're probably safe from most law abiding people, tautologically.

If anything, the most dangerous people, statistically, are those closest to you, rather than, say, random street ninjas.

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by TheSpiceIsLife on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:46PM (#26484223)
What's silly about prohibiting knuckledusters?

They have one and only one use, are easily consealed, and very effective.

I operate a laser cutter and am not infrequently asked to cut knuckles and always politely refuse with a brief explanation why.

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by klyrs on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:54PM (#26485252)
It's butterfly knives, nunchucks and other medieval weapons that I find to be extremely silly. They're usually more of a risk to the user than their intended, and generally limit history buffs and martial artists more than prevent crime.

I was born and raised in a place where getting a gun was as simple as putting together $100 or so and walking down to the corner. Not the corner store, mind you. In that context, any ban on melee weapons feels silly to me. But yeah, knuckledusters can really ruin your evening/face.

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by nicbou on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @09:33PM (#26485480)
The flail I can understand, due to the disproportionate risk of hitting yourself in the face with it.

However, having grown up in an environment where carrying weapons is generally banned, it seems equally silly to me that people with short fuses might have them at hand.

It's one of those things I chalk up to personal values. I can understand the opposite rationale, but prefer the Canadian way.

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by Griffinsauce on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:00PM (#26483704)
Keep in mind this is not the American continent and there are considerably less firearms to begin with.
Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by klyrs on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:16PM (#26483904)
And yet, the US still has problems with certain knives: https://www.akti.org/federal-switchblade-act/

No federal law, but brass knuckles are banned in many states: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/brass-knuck...

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by faeyanpiraat on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:08PM (#26483830)
What about Switzerland?
Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by Griffinsauce on Wednesday March 17, 2021 @04:16AM (#26487879)
One of the few places with high firearms ownership, raising the average higher above the median.
Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by hyperman1 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:24PM (#26483999)
There's a bullet list halfway here:

https://advo-recht.be/kennisbank/strafrecht/misdrijven/welke...

Some non-firearms on the list:

* Lots of types of knives, like Stilettos

* shurikens

* Blank weapons which look like other objects, like a knife hidden in an umbrella

* Clubs and batons

* Electric shockers

* Aerosol cans and sprays for self defence

* Nunchuks

Technically, anti personnel mines, flamethrowers and laser weapons might also be considered non-firearms, but I assume even the USA forbids these.

Interesting point is your medieval flail, which is probably legal as a historical ornamental weapon. Good luck explaining that one to the cops, though

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by mminer237 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @07:46PM (#26484742)
I believe landmines would be illegal in the US as destructive devices, although you might be able to get a stamp to buy one, not sure.

But flamethrowers and any power laser are legal without any special paperwork in almost all states.

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by andrewflnr on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:47PM (#26484230)
Nunchuks are banned in a lot of places in the US, too (CA and VA at least). I think it's easy for people outside the US to miss what a patchwork of regulation we have here.
Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by azalemeth on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @07:09PM (#26484411)
Knives, swords, and crossbows are pretty popular in drugs gangs -- due, I understand, to a perception that forensic analysis is harder (it isn't), the sentences may be lighter (they aren't), and that the weapons are stealthier (uncertain) or "cool" (not outside of video games!)
Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by gtvwill on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @08:18PM (#26485001)
Nah its not for any of those reasons. Its because their quiet, drawing less attention when used and are easier to acquire. Guns are expensive, harder to get and attract a shit ton of attention when used. Its more of an economics and availability thing.
Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by cheschire on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:10PM (#26483848)
Knives have many restrictions such as opening and locking one handed or being too long. Certain kinds of flashlights and clubs are illegal for civilians in Germany so I imagine something along those lines might be applicable in Belgium as well.
Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by williamscales on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:12PM (#26483869)
> What do you reckon the 9 non-firearm prohibited weapons are

I wonder if a hand grenade would be counted as a firearm or not?

The other thing that springs to mind would be switchblades.

Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by dylan604 on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:43PM (#26484196)
I'd guess grenades are more likely to be categorized as explosive devices.
Re:Belgian Police Say They Decrypted Half a Billion ‘Sky’ Me... by vzaliva on Tuesday March 16, 2021 @06:41PM (#26484172)
In US you can sieze that many firearms raiding a random nightclub. :)