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Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by darkerside on Sunday March 14, 2021 @07:50PM (#26460802)
The irony of posting this as a comment on an online message board is tangible.
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by everdrive on Sunday March 14, 2021 @08:01PM (#26460908)
Not really; it's ideal. Comment sections on news sources are mostly a dumpster fire. Individual message boards, small, and well regulated can be a wonderful gift. Commenting away from the primary publication, but about the primary publication seems ideal.
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by barbacoa on Sunday March 14, 2021 @09:41PM (#26461671)
>Comment sections on news sources are mostly a dumpster fire

Except for substack. In an interesting twist the comment sections on substack are thoughtful and polite with the authors chiming in -- at least in my experience. Don't know how to explain that compared to most sites. Maybe is because only paid subscribers are allowed to comment.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by abhiminator on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:03PM (#26461816)
Just give it some time. Once the user base swells up I'm sure the site will witness a general decline in quality, unless the moderation tools catch up.

This is something I've seen with countless forums and message boards over the years, i.e. Quora, Yahoo Answers, etc.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by benlumen on Monday March 15, 2021 @05:44AM (#26464041)
So true. I was thinking about Clubhouse recently and realized there are two basic forces that conspire against successful new platforms:

1) Going mainstream / mass appeal means the lowest common denominator drops, whether that's content or quality of conversation

2) Commercialization incentivizes the wrong things - see Twitter and how its been optimised for "engagement" above all else (not quality of content, or user happiness etc).

Interesting things are happening at Clubhouse but surely they know how this will go. I think successful new platforms that want to maintain their integrity should be looking at paid membership. Substack might be OK because of that.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by phlakaton on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:55PM (#26462137)
Add The Athletic, a subscription service, to the pile. Early adopters were enthusiastic and polite in the comments section. Even just one year in, the tenor had changed significantly.
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by skissane on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:58PM (#26462159)
> Maybe is because only paid subscribers are allowed to comment.

That's certainly not true for all substacks. Authors choose whether each post is paid-subscriber-only or not, and publicly visible posts can be commented on by unpaid accounts.

Maybe Substack comments are better because they represent a narrow audience (people interested in the output of a particular writer). Generally it is up to the author of the substack to moderate its comments.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by darkerside on Sunday March 14, 2021 @08:08PM (#26460968)
There's no reason these are mutually exclusive. We can be happy that we have our own little forum for discussion while still feeling others should have the right to discuss content where it is. Alternative isn't better than mainstream, it's just different.
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by jay_kyburz on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:33PM (#26461988)
>Comment sections on news sources are mostly a dumpster fire.

Only because they are not moderated properly. Newspapers should simply have a staff member read and approve every post. It really doesn't take that long to read something and hit yes or no.

Nobody said the comments have to be real time.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by CydeWeys on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:51PM (#26462114)
> Newspapers should simply have a staff member read and approve every post.

You're talking about a lot of added cost for little added value. Newspapers aren't exactly swimming in money these days.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by birdsbirdsbirds on Sunday March 14, 2021 @11:26PM (#26462326)
With comments, they could have become facebook. They still can become facebook by offering comments, letting their readers create profiles and expand from there.

Newspapers aren't swimming in money because they don't go all in on online content. Moderating comments, choosing information for their readers, that's their core competence. Writing articles or printing is secondary.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by muglug on Sunday March 14, 2021 @11:52PM (#26462459)
They’re not swimming in money because a thousand small independent newsrooms across the country, working independently, were no match for the massive VC-backed attention-stealing ad-revenue-sucking social networks coming out of Silicon Valley.
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by xkeysc0re on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:42PM (#26462049)
This is how the NYT moderation works. They even have "Editor's Choice"-type badges to signify high quality comments
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by muglug on Sunday March 14, 2021 @11:53PM (#26462469)
Yeah, it works at NYT scale. They have a massive paying subscriber base, and they can afford to operate both automatic and manual moderation systems. But it’s not scalable downwards.
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by rapnie on Monday March 15, 2021 @02:22AM (#26463081)
This is what the Guardian does too. Their frontend is open-source: https://github.com/guardian/frontend
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by Thorrez on Sunday March 14, 2021 @11:19PM (#26462274)
I think part of it is the commenters belonging to a community that has some sort of shared understanding. Whether that be a political leaning, or a desire for respectful comments (HN to some degree), or a view that flame wars and insults aren't a problem (4chan).
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by JdeBP on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:39PM (#26462028)
Somebody said it on this very page at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26461659 . (-:
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by Waterluvian on Sunday March 14, 2021 @08:07PM (#26460961)
I think this is exactly the model we should have.

I don't want 50 different accounts and comment sections. I want to take articles I'm interested in and bring them to the town square or pub to talk about. This is that.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by Nursie on Monday March 15, 2021 @06:59AM (#26464450)
That's basically what fark.com is (was? is it still as popular?). Obviously with an eye on stupid stuff and snark.
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by kmeisthax on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:37PM (#26462018)
Hacker News specializes in being an online message board, so they actually have the moderation staff to manage the platform they're running.

A news site running a comments section is sort of like a restaurant deciding they should also sell groceries. Can it work? Maybe - but more likely most people didn't want to pick up groceries at your restaurant, while people looking to steal food know that it's unattended most of the time, so you have a massive shrink rate problem. That doesn't mean groceries are a bad idea, it means it's something people need to specialize into.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by rapnie on Monday March 15, 2021 @02:29AM (#26463106)
The HN moderation is (AFAIK still) a 1-2 man show, with @dang doing fantastic work as a moderator, but also much helped with the upvote/downvote, flag and a whole bunch of algorithms.
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by faitswulff on Sunday March 14, 2021 @07:53PM (#26460827)
Ah, but comments on well moderated news aggregators is a different story altogether than sites that just happen to have comment forms.
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by darkerside on Sunday March 14, 2021 @08:06PM (#26460952)
Yes, that's right. We're different. It's everyone else that's the problem. /s
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by unethical_ban on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:05PM (#26461830)
Yes. Unironically. Without the s. Seriously.

Very few news orgs devote the resources needed to curate messages for relevance and filter trolls and flames.

Furthermore, places want to make money on subscribers so potentially have an incentive not to remove postsade by subscribers (no substance behind that theory).

Nytimes is the only news site I see that doesn't have absolute trash for dialogue quality.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by darkerside on Monday March 15, 2021 @12:30AM (#26462644)
Credit to the mods here. They have a vision for a culture, and they've done a good job at it. It doesn't mean it's the only way to have a conversation. I recognize this sentiment is going to be unpopular here. There are probably other places that would feel the opposite, that HN is a groupthink SV bubble with any diversity just a riff on that theme. I like it here, but I swear some people here think they have a monopoly on truth.
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by monoideism on Monday March 15, 2021 @12:18AM (#26462586)
> Nytimes is the only news site I see that doesn't have absolute trash for dialogue quality.

Oh, it has plenty of trash comments, they're just expressed in a manner acceptable to the urban elite. All the comments from hoi polloi are filtered.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by unethical_ban on Monday March 15, 2021 @01:04AM (#26462790)
>all the comments I disagree with are expressed with cogency and respect, and those that show disrespect or a lack of RTFA are deleted
Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by thereare5lights on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:19PM (#26461911)
HN has heavy moderation.

It's not the same.

Re:Why we’re removing comments on most of Inquirer.com by we_the_elite on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:45PM (#26462078)
We're between good people here, not like the uneducated masses who comment on online news.