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Re:Why inflation is not a threat by UncleMeat on Sunday March 14, 2021 @09:42AM (#26455328)
Even ignoring the incredibly false claim that we used gold/silver systems for most of human history, what is mining gold or silver if not "printing money"? Why is that considered acceptable by gold/silver proponents?
Re:Why inflation is not a threat by JoBrad on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:06AM (#26455552)
The fact that gold and silver’s value is really just as arbitrarily assigned as the value of anything else is usually also overlooked.
Re:Why inflation is not a threat by chii on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:44AM (#26455831)
It's more that the amount of gold and silver cannot be manipulated as easily as paper/fiat money.

Proponents of the gold standard, at heart, simply does not trust the authorities to set fiat policies. Sometimes, that's a correct assessment (ala, Venezuela). But in the US, and other developed countries, the central banks are fairly transparent, and at least tries to keep to their mandates.

Re:Why inflation is not a threat by imtringued on Sunday March 14, 2021 @03:38PM (#26458209)
I personally don't believe that the problem is with the currency. The problems lie deeper. If fiat mismanagement is all it took to ruin an economy the USA would be suffering from hyperinflation by now.

The truth is that these countries suffer from structural problems like food imports and petroleum exports that have dropped in value. If they were able to produce their necessities on their own they wouldn't be such problematic countries.

Re:Why inflation is not a threat by JoBrad on Sunday March 14, 2021 @12:38PM (#26456640)
I’ll grant the “as easily” part, but also counter with diamonds and China’s influence on the availability of rare earth elements.
Re:Why inflation is not a threat by TheOtherHobbes on Sunday March 14, 2021 @10:10AM (#26455583)
It isn't. Gold/Silver are tangible stores of value. The value is imaginary but humans like to see and touch things and decorate their houses with shiny, and you can't paper your walls with government IOUs.

Which is why we don't have a gold/silver economy, but we do have a property and land economy which has taken its place.

These "investments" are based on a pile of almost-free fiat government IOUs. They have been converted into equally imaginary tangible value. You happen to be able to live in this store of value if you choose to, but at the high end hardly anyone does.

It's a form of imaginative arbitrage for high end abstract markets, just like gold/silver, cowrie shells, and big round rocks are. (And BTC, in its own way.)

Which is why at the high end economics is almost entirely faith-based. Fundamental use value is swamped almost instantly by an imaginary tradable value. And that is based entirely on faith in the stability and potential of the investment of your choice.

The consumer market is different because prices - including rentals - have some relationship to scarcity and use value. But there's still a large element which is faith-driven and subject to an irrational boom/bust cycle as faith and hope waver - partly driven by central bank and government signalling about future outcomes.

Re:Why inflation is not a threat by barbacoa on Sunday March 14, 2021 @11:44AM (#26456287)
>incredibly false claim that we used gold/silver systems for most of human history

Can someone elaborate on why this is false? Archeologists have found precious metal coinage going back to the dawn of civilization.

Re:Why inflation is not a threat by UncleMeat on Sunday March 14, 2021 @12:32PM (#26456596)
The existence of coins is not the same thing as "using gold/silver for its currency". We have gold coins today and that clearly isn't enough to satisfy goldbugs.
Re:Why inflation is not a threat by leetcrew on Sunday March 14, 2021 @12:23PM (#26456542)
I'm sure someone else can explain this more eloquently, but I believe the basic idea is this: any time you make a transaction that isn't settled on the spot, at least one of the parties is extending credit.

like suppose one person has more grain than they need. everyone else is starving, but they have nothing to trade for grain. if the grain person agrees to let the other villagers have grain now in exchange for the promise of an ox next year, they have in a sense expanded the money supply. this type of arrangement can be implicit and difficult to track. maybe there was no explicit promise of an ox, but an unspoken understanding that a favor would be owed in the future. it still has the effect of expanding the money supply without digging rare metals out of the ground.

Re:Why inflation is not a threat by jrek on Monday March 15, 2021 @12:40AM (#26462695)
The modern central banking/inflation/'debasement' conspiracy theorist is interested in a return to a gold standard - that is, paper currency that is backed by reserves of gold, as (kind of, sometimes) existed from ~1850 to 1950, rather than a return to currency actually physically containing gold (or, more usually, a metal other than gold).

They are not the same, but speaking about them at a high level abstraction allows one to pretend that there was some continuous system in place that was abruptly overturned in recent times, for ostensibly nefarious reasons.

Re:Why inflation is not a threat by fullshark on Sunday March 14, 2021 @01:33PM (#26457061)
They trust the global supply of gold/silver as a limiter more than the gov't's self-control.