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Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by el_benhameen on Thursday March 11, 2021 @05:11PM (#26429656)
Had a similar feeling of frustration the other day when I thought I had lost my wallet and was considering what a pain in the ass it was going to be to get my ID and cards replaced. 4-6 weeks for a replacement CA driver’s license, and you have to go to a physical DMV location! I know that digital-only management of identity and payment is a whole new can of worms, but I spent a lot of time thinking about how absurd it is that we still require possession of a small piece of plastic to operate as an adult in the world, and how losing that plastic cuts you off from a great many things.

(Turns out I threw the wallet in the recycling can while cleaning the garage. So I guess don’t pay me to build the system that replaces physical identity tokens.)

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by PebblesRox on Thursday March 11, 2021 @07:33PM (#26430882)
I once threw away a fast food bag that contained our checkbook, $100 in cash, plus the title and registration paperwork for our new car! We didn't realize until a few days later, but fortunately we found the bag before the trash pickup came :)
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by ridethebike on Thursday March 11, 2021 @10:56PM (#26432055)
One nice Friday night when I was tired and barely walking after long week I threw into the trash my wallet with some cash, credit card, debit card, subway pass, driver license and US green card. Then I threw the trash into container next to my apartment building. Didn't remember a thing.

Next morning after more than ~1 hour of turning my apartment upside down I, out of desperation and thanks to intuition, dove into container and recovered my trash bag. Everything apart from cash survived.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by tempestn on Friday March 12, 2021 @12:36AM (#26432496)
The cash was destroyed by the garbage.. juices? Or someone found and took it?
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by ridethebike on Friday March 12, 2021 @01:06AM (#26432626)
Destroyed by the garbage. Cards survived due to being plastic. Wallet went to washing machine.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by tgsovlerkhgsel on Friday March 12, 2021 @01:16AM (#26432686)
If it was any amount worth the effort, you could have sent it to https://bep.gov/services/currencyredemption.html
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by thr0w__4w4y on Friday March 12, 2021 @10:25PM (#26443626)
As someone who's done this, I can 2nd this comment.

Fire damage.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by codecutter on Thursday March 11, 2021 @09:13PM (#26431521)
I fail to understand why anyone would keep such important documents in a fast food bag.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by dylan604 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @09:27PM (#26431613)
Have you never been in a situation where 2 hands were not enough, but that's all you had? Sometimes, getting out the car is a lot easier combining things that are not in a pocket or bag/purse into whatever back you might be carrying into the house with you.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by skinkestek on Friday March 12, 2021 @06:10AM (#26434475)
Wallet goes in right front pocket. Phone goes in left front pocket. Keys goes with wallet.

Exception: When I'm out running, if cell phones are forbidden (certain locations at certain customers), or if I wear a suit (things like weddings, funerals and when I celebrate 17th of May.)

If a pair of trousers cannot hold these items I don't buy them.

Sticking to these invariants makes for less frustration. Not sticking to them means frustration twice a month or so.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by ungamedplayer on Friday March 12, 2021 @06:44AM (#26434712)
You are my people.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by refurb on Friday March 12, 2021 @05:55AM (#26434365)
You know what? Based on my life experience to this point I wouldn’t do that. On a couple of occasions I’ve had an idea of where to put something (e.g. “if I put the money here it will be safe”) and my brain stop me (e.g. “are you stupid? You’ll never remember you put it here. Put it somewhere you’ll actually check if you cant remember”) and it stops me. Benefit of getting older and learning from past mistakes?
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by COGlory on Friday March 12, 2021 @12:27AM (#26432464)
I was wondering the same as gp. Why would anyone ever do something that risky and obviously stupid?

Then I read your comment and realized I've done this like 6 times in last year...

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by PebblesRox on Thursday March 11, 2021 @10:01PM (#26431805)
I was wondering the same thing, believe me!
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by webmobdev on Friday March 12, 2021 @01:16AM (#26432685)
Sometimes if you are in a hurry, such things happen.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by shirro on Thursday March 11, 2021 @06:28PM (#26430364)
I only carry my debit card and drivers licence as a backup incase my phone goes flat. My digital drivers licence is accepted by police and vehicle registration has been entirely digital for years. If I lost my physical one I don't think I would bother replacing it. I can register an expired vehicle through an app and drive it immediately. The only time I go to a service centre is once a decade to get a licence picture.

If I report a lost debit/credit card to prevent fraud then the card is cancelled and I can't pay with my phone and have to wait a week for a replacement card. At least I can still drive without a physical licence.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by el_benhameen on Thursday March 11, 2021 @06:29PM (#26430381)
That sounds great. Can I ask which country you live in?
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by msravi on Friday March 12, 2021 @01:02AM (#26432609)
Don't know where OP lives, but here in India, I lost my driver's license a long time ago and only "carry" a digital copy of it in an app called DigiLocker. Digilocker also contains registration documents of all vehicles I own, Income Tax (PAN) card, insurance policies, high school/university transcripts, etc.

My "cash" or card transactions has gone down manifold over the last couple of years. Everyone, including roadside vendors, accept mobile payments that's enabled using UPI (unified payments interface) that's tied to my bank account. There are dozens of apps and "wallets" that use it, including Google Pay, Amazon Pay, Paytm, PhonePe, etc.

My income tax records are all available online, and "filing" is a matter of importing this data using a tool that the income tax department makes available on their website, checking the pre-filled forms, and pushing the "submit" button -- signed using an Aadhaar number enabled OTP.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by harshitaneja on Friday March 12, 2021 @06:35AM (#26434643)
I was thinking the same. Except passport and credit cards I don't really need any other physical document. And most of this happened in India in the last decade quietly. Sure there are many concerns with Aadhar and some of the other things but it has reduced friction in so many of activities.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by shirro on Friday March 12, 2021 @08:02PM (#26442917)
Sounds similar to how I do my tax on gov.au here. There are a lot of federal government services on there, most I have never used, and an OTP app. Income tax takes a few minutes. It knows about any contributions. If you have simple financials it is reasonably painless. If you have a lot of money and investments you are going to an accountant anyway.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by shirro on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:03PM (#26431095)
Australia, although I think this would not be uncommon for most developed countries as it is a big cost saving for government. Licensing and registration are state responsibilities and each state has different systems.

Vehicle rego can be checked in the app so I can see my expiry and get notifications when renewal is due. We haven't had to attach any physical proof of vehicle registration since 2011.

The app can be used as proof of digital licences for boats, cars, trucks and for occupational licences (builders, tradies, security) since 2017. I can also view demerit points. Also does proof of age and more recently COVID checkins. The app was locally developed. I think most states here have similar systems https://my.sa.gov.au/

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by bigger_cheese on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:21PM (#26431213)
Here in NSW it is not quite so streamlined, Registration renewal requires a vehicle inspection by an accredited mechanic (and related paper work).

The inspection itself isn't anything complex I think they check brakes, headlights and such usually takes about 20 minutes I drop car off go and grab a coffee and it's ready when I get back.

Once the inspection is done everything else can be done online.

I don't mind the process so much (I only own 1 vehicle and live in city) but my parents for example live in a remote location (50 minute drive to get to mechanic) and have multiple cars, a boat trailer and a regular trailer which all have the same registration date so for my Dad it is pretty much an entire days adventure to get all the various inspections done.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by shirro on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:38PM (#26431338)
NSW is kind of weird though. They have religious education in government schools which astonishes most Aussies.

Nearly everyone gets their car serviced regularly every 6 to 12 months and they risk being defected if driving with a fault. My guess is a comparison of road safety outcomes between states would show very little benefit as the other states haven't leapt in to follow the example.

I remember paying my SA car rego with laptop over Maccas wifi in Devonport after rolling off the ferry sometime in the naughties. We didn't do it with our phones because they were still potatoes.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by devmor on Friday March 12, 2021 @12:10PM (#26438016)
Wish it was possible here in the US, but because every one of our 50 states handles ID in a different way, it'd be a logistical nightmare without federal involvement.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by shirro on Friday March 12, 2021 @07:54PM (#26442842)
We have no national ID in Australia and the federal government has limited constitutional powers. We have tax file numbers and medicare numbers but they are only used for tax or medical payments and for nothing else.

Like the US it is a federal system and states have constitutional authority over road rules, registration and licensing and can do their own thing. Every state has its own websites and apps for these things. Half our states do not have digital licences yet but some of them will be ahead in other areas. I suspect if we had to wait for something national to happen the less progressive states would hold us all back.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by marshmallow_12 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @07:45PM (#26430971)
Sounds suspiciously like the United Kingdom. I don't think a single government service remains that cannot be done online. Not only that, but they actively invest a vast amount of resources into convincing anyone who tries to use physical services (mail, phone) that they are making a huge mistake. Anyone unfortunate enough to have to phone up any government office must to spend at least 3 minutes hearing about how much easier it would be to just use the website.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by zhte415 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @11:48PM (#26432316)
As a UK national overseas I don't know pains of calling up anywhere, and for sure there will be pains for many in varied forms, but find gov.uk consistently excellent from personal affairs to running a business. While not applicable as gov.uk does everything I need, surely channels exist for those than cannot, or unable, to use it?
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by lmm on Friday March 12, 2021 @02:05AM (#26432945)
Example: setting up national insurance contributions from abroad. You can't do that online, and so being repeatedly told to use the website while on hold on HMRC's phone lines (if you're lucky enough that their voice recognition system didn't hang up on you) is adding insult to injury.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by ricardobayes on Friday March 12, 2021 @05:57AM (#26434375)
Can you apply for (exchanging) a driving licence now online? DVLA services were still not online about a year ago.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by vtail on Thursday March 11, 2021 @05:36PM (#26429893)
Not sure if it was just a temp measure during the pandemic, but last May I renewed my driving CA license completely online, and they mailed it to my home address; no visit to DMV was necessary.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by el_benhameen on Thursday March 11, 2021 @05:57PM (#26430079)
I saw that, too. Unfortunately, it’s only valid if they’ve sent you a renewal notice. My DL expires this year but I haven’t received a notice yet, so I was ineligible.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by refurb on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:53PM (#26431414)
Go onto the online portal and try and renew now. I did it 3 months before receiving the notice.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by dylan604 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @09:30PM (#26431629)
At some point, your DL picture is too old, and they need you to come in to get an updated picture. Not sure the frequency, once every 10 years, every other renewal, etc, but the GP could have been subject to some similar circumstance.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by refurb on Friday March 12, 2021 @05:50AM (#26434330)
That makes sense. I was more calling out that you don’t need to wait for the physical renewal form to do an online renewal - the system seems to make it an option 5-6 months prior to expiration.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by maerF0x0 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @06:12PM (#26430237)
DMV recently charged me $25 to get a printed sheet of paper mailed to my house (replacement registration). They dont even send you the original sized item, they just blow it up and print it on a regular 8.5x 11. Hell they should have just sent me the PDF and i could have printed it myself w/o the need for a stamp (or covid transmission)...
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by chrischen on Thursday March 11, 2021 @06:51PM (#26430541)
Part of it must be to enforce address requirements.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by maerF0x0 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @06:59PM (#26430604)
Funny thing I learned is you dont actually have to have the original registration card, you can also have a facsimile (which i take to mean a photocopy).
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by davchana on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:40PM (#26431349)
& I think one can print the same on their instant kiosk booths too, although for same money.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by Spooky23 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @05:37PM (#26429896)
I’d suggest for future reference getting a passport card.

It meets all identity requirements and has the benefit of not providing your address.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by mrb on Thursday March 11, 2021 @10:06PM (#26431837)
«has the benefit of not providing your address.»

Little known fact: you can have a PO BOX address on your driving license (California). When you give the DMV your physical residence address, and a different mailing address, they will print the mailing address on the driver license. That's what I do.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by zem on Thursday March 11, 2021 @06:02PM (#26430135)
only works for citizens
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by Spooky23 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @06:21PM (#26430314)
And green card holders
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by alasdair_ on Thursday March 11, 2021 @07:26PM (#26430827)
Not green card holders, only citizens.

Of course green card holders have a separate id card that they legally must carry with them at all times, so they don’t need a passport card.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by mattl on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:44PM (#26431371)
Became a US citizen recently. You lose your green card on the day of the ceremony. If you don’t drive you suddenly find yourself with no ID for a few weeks.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by raverbashing on Friday March 12, 2021 @03:12AM (#26433324)
You still have your passport from your original country no?
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by mattl on Friday March 12, 2021 @09:03AM (#26435908)
Yeah but it’s frustrating to carry it around when you’ve had a card, previously.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by marshmallow_12 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @07:50PM (#26431008)
> Of course green card holders have a separate id card that they legally must carry with them at all times

It is utterly beyond me to guess how such a system can possibly make any sort of meaningful difference to law enforcement. Or even how it can be enforced in any meaningful way.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by refurb on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:58PM (#26431446)
It's pretty much not enforced. And a replacement card is $500+ and months of wait, so I don't blame anyone for not carry it.

My friend just carried a copy of the card - not sufficient to meet the requirements of the law, but probably enough to satisfy any initial inquiries until you can get your physical card.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by marshmallow_12 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @09:16PM (#26431541)
500 dollars? That's highway robbery! Minimum wage is about $8, so some poor guys have to fork out well over a weeks wages for a piece of plastic. U sure it's 500 and not 50?
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by refurb on Thursday March 11, 2021 @10:19PM (#26431886)
https://www.uscis.gov/i-90

$540 total fee "if your card is lost or stolen."

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by alasdair_ on Friday March 12, 2021 @02:42PM (#26440026)
It cost me almost $3000 in fees to get my green card. That’s direct fees, no lawyers or anything.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by davchana on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:44PM (#26431368)
Specially when law enforcement is not supposed to ask about immigration status unless one can't produce any ID or have probable cause.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by marshmallow_12 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:54PM (#26431419)
Here's how that will go down:

OFFICER: what is your immigration status, Sir?

IMMIGRANT (thinking fast): uhh, er, pure blooded, Sir!

OFFICER: on your way then, young lad! I can't ask for your id because you don't need one. Have a nice day.

Not likely they can catch someone out unless they literally have his picture in hand. In which case, he obviously has bigger problems then not having his id card on him...

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by jermaustin1 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @09:41PM (#26431687)
About 8 years ago my wife and I were driving to Vegas from Houston. Its basically 2 roads, I-10 from Houston to Phoenix and then some shitty state highway between Phoenix and Vegas.

Along I-10, we were stopped 5 different times at immigration checkpoints and asked a single word question "American?" and sent on our way. Our final stop was on the bypass bridge next to the Hoover Dam, same single word question, except this time, they required our IDs and asked for passports.

My wife and I are US Citizens, and at the time had no passports. Mine had expired around the year 2000, and she had never had one. Trying to explain that to some asshole hassling us felt impossible. After 15 minutes of us pulled to the side, they brought our licenses back to us and sent us on our way.

We never drove to Vegas again.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by marshmallow_12 on Thursday March 11, 2021 @10:04PM (#26431816)
I wonder how many illegals the first 4 checkpoints managed to nab. I'm not sure how it's possible to manage there things without bothering some innocents.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by Spooky23 on Friday March 12, 2021 @08:18AM (#26435506)
Thanks for the correction.

I had an acquaintance who carried a non-citizen US passport... TIL apparently there is an edge case for certain Pacific Islanders.

Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by TMWNN on Thursday March 11, 2021 @07:17PM (#26430749)
A non-US citizen by definition cannot receive a US passport, which a US passport card is.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by ricardobayes on Friday March 12, 2021 @05:42AM (#26434269)
Good point, especially homeless people are vulnerable, if they lose their papers they might not be able to get new ones.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by davchana on Thursday March 11, 2021 @08:38PM (#26431332)
Agree, & I think now you can order a replacement driving license on their website as long as it is not near its expiry.
Re:My bank sent me 64 copies of the same debit card by harikb on Thursday March 11, 2021 @05:23PM (#26429754)
Let us not forget the value of having it mailed to their home address for majority of the population. It provides some guarantee that the person who gets mail at the address is the only one who will get to use it.

Most of the population use insecure Android phones and are not the Little Snitch & 1Password wielding HN crowd.