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Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by perardi on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:16PM (#26391672)
Musk’s reality distortion field must visibly bend light. He manages to accomplish so much, but also manages to peddle a lot of absolute monorail-level bullshit.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35350331/checking-in-on-a...

(Still hoping for that super-tunnel to take me to O’Hare once flying is back up to full speed.)

Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by api on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:27PM (#26391825)
It's because of the former that he is able to command the latter.

Musk isn't super-human. He's a good engineer with great intuition for how to solve hard problems and a good "first principles" approach. He also has a great work ethic. There are tons of Elon Musks around.

What's rare is people as visionary and competent as him who are also rich and well-connected. Having someone who actually knows something in a position to make decisions about the allocation of large amounts of capitol yields results so amazing that they appear super-human, which buys him a hell of a reality distortion field and a lot of slack for being eccentric.

Musk got rich more or less by accident. The systems that advance people to those heights select for competence in the areas of social and financial advancement, not practical engineering or creativity, hence his rarity.

Of course today it's probably better than it ever has been in all of history. Historically the way to wealth and power was to brainwash a large number of people into killing (and risking their lives) for you and then sitting back and reaping the reward. That's still a thing, but at least now there are other routes.

Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by amelius on Monday March 08, 2021 @05:06PM (#26392309)
Musk is just a brand created by investors to secure their investments.
Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by wtf_is_up on Monday March 08, 2021 @06:07PM (#26392891)
Tesla's best product is their stock.
Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by mensetmanusman on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:30PM (#26391858)
https://youtu.be/5uqpA3beAhc

I used to think like you, then I see these driverless demonstrations and negotiated left turns with zero user interaction.

I have this feeling that we will be surprised like we were when AlphaGO won...

Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by arithmomachist on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:59PM (#26392225)
Being able to steer the car effectively is only one part of an enormously complex engineering problem. A fully autonomous vehicle would need to:

1. Be robust to bad visibility, not an easy task in computer vision.

2. Have access to extremely detailed maps that include things like driveways and parking lots. These maps would need to be continuously updated. The labor required to make and maintain such maps will limit how many places cars can be fully autonomous.

3. Understand the etiquette of the road. For example, a person seeing a car stop in the street near a parking spot would assume the car is about to parallel park and give it room to pull off the maneuver. An autonomous vehicle wouldn't give it so much room, because it can't reason about context in that way.

4. Negotiate ambiguous situations requiring interaction with other drivers. There are frequently situations where it's not clear who has the right of way from the rules of the road. People resolve these by gesturing with their hands and with their cars. A fully autonomous vehicle would need to understand these signals.

Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by michaelmrose on Monday March 08, 2021 @07:20PM (#26393550)
Number 4 is just a deal breaker you can easier expect a car to reason about what other cars are doing, or trying to do, than respond to human gesticulation.

One might easier imagine cars communicating with one another over a local connection of some sort.

Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by ganstyles on Monday March 08, 2021 @09:02PM (#26394494)
Curious about 2. I don't have these and I've never been in a car accident. Presumably the onboard sensors would tell the autonomous car what to avoid?
Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by bob33212 on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:31PM (#26391889)
He has been pretty honest that predicting the maximum of a derivative of an S-curve is very hard.
Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by dheera on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:32PM (#26391905)
Personally I think he understands everything. The problem is the stock market and SEC which set up laws that encourage and incentivize bullshitting. Everything from letting a free market full of idiots to determine prices, to quarterly earnings reports, is set up to encourage every form of BS.

If we want to optimize for reducing bullshit, the stock market and rules around it need to be restructured.

Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by fastball on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:24PM (#26391786)
That article has very TSLAQ-type vibes, and in fact links to two TSLAQ sites at the bottom.

None of which are honest about how things have progressed.

Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by perardi on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:27PM (#26391824)
I…don’t even know what TSLAQ is, but, where’s that Hyperloop, battery swapping, and robotaxi?
Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by crazypython on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:31PM (#26391876)
> TSLAQ is a loose, international[1] collective of largely anonymous short-sellers,[2] skeptics, and researchers who openly criticize Tesla, Inc. and its CEO, Elon Musk.[3] The group primarily organizes on Twitter, often using the $TSLAQ cashtag,[4] and Reddit[5] to coordinate efforts and share news, opinions, and analysis about the company and its stock.

> Tesla Ticker Symbol + "Q" which is the NASDAQ notation for bankruptcy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSLAQ

Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by nickik on Tuesday March 09, 2021 @04:15AM (#26396889)
First of all, Musk literally never said he would develop a Hyperloop. He literally said, here is an idea, I'm not gone do it, somebody else might want to try. Why don't people understand this?

Tesla had a battery swapping but realized it was a terrible idea and instead built the largest global chairing network in the world instead. Are you seriously gone shit on somebody because they changed strategy with more information and build something that is actually more impressive?

Yes, he was wrong about Robotaxi, or at least its delayed. Nobody bats 100%.

But if you are actually honest with yourself and start in 2000 and look what he said, compared to what he did. Literally nobody else on the planet predictions are closer to what actually happened in terms of large scale problems.

Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by fastball on Monday March 08, 2021 @04:30PM (#26391870)
TSLAQ is a coordinated effort by TSLA short-sellers to generate as much bad press about Tesla as possible in order to tank the price and make money on their short positions.

Ensuring said bad press is accurate/fair is certainly not the primary goal.

Disclaimer: I don't own any TSLA stock.

Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by rainyMammoth on Monday March 08, 2021 @05:21PM (#26392436)
Ah yes because any voiced criticism of Tesla must be rooted into big short money.
Re:Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always... by fastball on Monday March 08, 2021 @06:45PM (#26393238)
No, because TSLAQ is literally mentioned in one of those website's footer.