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Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by luckman212 on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:21PM (#26377659)
Can we change this to "dumber than average" Sue? I guarantee when I'm 60 I'll still be able to safely operate a computer and understand what an "app" is, FFS. Ageism is really out of control these days.
Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by jstanley on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:27PM (#26377722)
Sure, but when you're 60 you might not be so hot on technology that you first encountered in your 50s.

I'm sure today's 60-year-olds are still perfectly good at the kind of things they've been doing since they were 20.

Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by ineedasername on Sunday March 07, 2021 @02:32PM (#26378958)
The implication that someone couldn't keep up with a relatively new things-- in your case vague example something they even encountered a few years earlier-- is pretty much the definition of ageism. Anyone who decides to keep their professional skills current will do just fine whether they're 5 years out of school or 40 years out of school. If someone doesn't keep current & is 5 years out of date on their skills, there's not a lot of difference between a 30 year old and a 60 year old that are equally 5 years out of date. Though the 60 year old might have decades more of experience working in their advantage, so maybe the two aren't equal.
Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by blackrock on Sunday March 07, 2021 @05:06PM (#26380228)
25 years ago, the hot technology was dial-up modems. And PCMCIA cards to connect to WiFi.

Haven’t had much use of that lately.

Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by ldng on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:28PM (#26377728)
You have a point about ageism, but you also make quite a condescending mistake of your own. You could have say "less tech savvy" than "dumber than average". It is not because you don't master something that you did not use before that you are dumb.
Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by cosmodisk on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:36PM (#26377814)
Absolutely agree on this. I've seen the entire spectrum by now: kids,who literally grew up with computers in their hands, not being able to operate simple software and people way past retirement age doing complex 'magic' on their PCs
Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by ethbr0 on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:53PM (#26377957)
I'm not impressed by the digital native, current generations.

I think a better descriptor would be "app-native" -- i.e. "I don't understand or care how anything computing works under the hood, and it'd better be tied off with a pretty bow and UI."

Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by cosmodisk on Sunday March 07, 2021 @01:19PM (#26378202)
This is a topic we discussed with a colleague earlier this week: everyone's smart to click some buttons on an app,which, even a monkey with some basic training could do, but anything outside their comfort zone is a foreign language to them. Just a few days ago got asked what's the url to login to Office 365. There doesn't seem to be any willingness to think.
Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by boomboomsubban on Sunday March 07, 2021 @02:04PM (#26378683)
As someone who hasn't touched Microsoft office in a decade, what's the URL for Office 365 seems like a fair question. Isn't it competing with Google? I assume they offer an in browser client,

So yes, I have no idea how things I don't use work. This isn't that I'm unwilling to think, things are more open ended.

Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by cosmodisk on Sunday March 07, 2021 @04:13PM (#26379823)
It's not the part whether one knows or doesn't know the url fascinates me: it's a professional setting, where people are quite used to solve problems much more complex than figuring out what's the url. For me it's the thought process: What's the url? I don't know.. error... error.. error. The equivalent of this is if I'd say to someone I've read a great article on Financial Times website,and they'd reply with: sorry, I can't read it,I don't know the url..
Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by boomboomsubban on Monday March 08, 2021 @12:03AM (#26382420)
Isn't it also the kind of thing that large organizations self host? Sure they could have probably found it with a search engine, or some employee reference, but asking someone isn't a huge deal.
Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by gmfawcett on Sunday March 07, 2021 @02:50PM (#26379116)
I don't understand your example. There is such a URL (https://www.office.com/). Or are you just suggesting that the colleague could have looked it up themselves?
Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by aboringusername on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:30PM (#26377751)
I edited the comment, you make a good point. My bias is that in my experience the elderly tends to struggle the most as it wasn't common in their day, but point duly noted.
Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by klingon79 on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:37PM (#26377827)
How about Pat? That’s ambiguous enough.
Re:Someone is hacking the hackers by fortyrod on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:46PM (#26377913)
Or pretend you're in the southeastern US, where "Sam" and "Sue" are both non-gendered, and probably ageless, according to Mr. Cash, at least. You could also go with Courtney, Tracy, Billie, Casey, Drew...