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Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by libraryatnight on Sunday March 07, 2021 @03:51AM (#26374313)
I love tea. I hate talking to other people who love tea. Here's the recipe for tea: tea, hot water. You can experiment with leaves and blends and temperatures and vessels. You can put whatever you want in it. I don't care if you take your tea with mustard. Use the combinations you enjoy.
Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by soneca on Sunday March 07, 2021 @05:33AM (#26374768)
If there are so many variables, why not talk to people to learn the results of those experiments? The alternative is to make all those experiments yourself, which will take a lot of time.

I like coffee myself. I noticed that I usually prefer drip coffee, but there was a lot of inconsistency in how good my drip coffee was. So I talked to people, but mostly read people explaining what variables affect the taste of coffee.

I learned that what I don’t like is something that coffee lovers usually like. Taste sometimes described as “strong”, with a certain level of bitterness. I like my coffee with the least bitterness possible.

So I read that light roasted beans create a less bitter coffee, great one variable solved.

Also, specialists recommend that before pouring the whole water, you just wet the ground coffee on the filter and wait 30 seconds. This initial hot water allow the air to escape from the ground coffee, so when you pour the rest of the water, the absorption of the coffee by the water is more efficient. This is one of the things that will bring more bitterness out of the coffee. So I purposefully don’t do this. I put all the water at once, counting that the absorption won’t be as efficient.

So my recipe is: light roasted beans, with fast pouring water. I would have never learned this if not learning from other coffee lovers, even if they have different tastes than mine.

Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by whobar on Sunday March 07, 2021 @06:23AM (#26374994)
Perhaps your method of dumping the water works fine for you, but it is a very inconsistent method. There's a video on Youtube[1] of a "coffee brewing champion" who uses this method sometimes, and admits you are essentially playing roulette with your brew. But it can lead to more varied flavor profile from cup to cup.

You may be better off grinding coarser, and not skipping the initial "bloom" phase. When not simply dumping water into the brewer, there are of course many other variables to tweak to try and achieve a tasty cup.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miuPSjazpyw

Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by soneca on Sunday March 07, 2021 @06:54AM (#26375175)
Thanks for the video, it was awesome! Essentially this is what I do. Good to know a “champion” using it too!

Fine grinding because the brewing time is short and fast pouring without initial “bloom” (just learned the term).

I am ok with this level of inconsistency. I believe that I don’t have the trained palate to even notice it. When I mentioned inconsistency earlier it is because I did not know anything about coffee so I would arbitrarily use dark, medium, light roasts, different quantities even. Btw, I will try to be more exact using this 1 to 12 proportion he mentioned in the video.

About trying coarser grinding, I don’t grind it myself, I buy ground coffee. I could to find a place that grinds at the counter, but there is no such shop close by. I also optimize my coffee for laziness :)

Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by beerandt on Sunday March 07, 2021 @09:27AM (#26376063)
If you don't like bitter, but also don't like strong, the key is to brew strong, then dilute. This affects the bitterness/ result more than blooming (pre-wetting).

Then different roasts can be brewed independent of bitterness and strength. The last flavors to leech are the most bitter.

But most people don't know any of this type of knowledge, they just know how they do it, and want to tell you why it's the "right way."

That's why talking to coffee and tea drinkers is often insufferable.

On the otherhand, talking to people with actual knowledge to share can be enjoyable. There's just not an easy way to screen for it.

Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by libraryatnight on Monday March 08, 2021 @01:22PM (#26389440)
I am all for sharing. The problem is this tendency for people to use language that implies their way is "correct" - or worse, "Authentic" as if authenticity has ever made anything taste better by default. I've been told everything from I "haven't really had" tea if it wasn't served properly from a seasoned Yixing pot. Tea fans are gatekeepers of the worst sort.
Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by keiferski on Sunday March 07, 2021 @05:18AM (#26374704)
On the contrary, knowledge of aesthetic standards is something that is sorely lacking these days. Thousands of very thoughtful, very intelligent people have spent time thinking about things like the proper way to drink tea.

Perhaps instead of brushing them away with a middlebrow dismissal, open your mind a little to the possibility that the world is more complex than you think it is.

Edit: to add to that, for anyone that is curious. There is a pretty rich history in writing on tea, especially in China and Japan. Food aesthetics is also becoming a bigger subfield in philosophy too, usually categorized under everyday aesthetics.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Tea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_tea_ceremony

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aesthetics-of-everyday/

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/769

Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by brokenkebab on Sunday March 07, 2021 @06:35AM (#26375050)
This comment sounds very snobbish to me. If OP likes his tea simple without ceremonies, reciting poetry, or measuring temperature of water to 0.1°C precision it gives you no logical reason to claim he's not smart, or enlightened enough.
Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by keiferski on Sunday March 07, 2021 @06:59AM (#26375198)
OP is allowed to do so. But if he/she insists that anyone who recognizes further depth to the topic is wrong or stupid, then responding to that doesn’t make me a snob.
Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by brokenkebab on Sunday March 07, 2021 @07:50AM (#26375474)
I re-read the comment in question with great attention, and found nothing OP insists on except for being left alone with his tea. Quote: "Use the combinations you enjoy"
Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by eyan on Sunday March 07, 2021 @03:54AM (#26374329)
I can't upvote this enough.

I love _something_. I hate talking to other people who love _something_. ...use the combinations you enjoy.

Bless the parent comment.

Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by kowlo on Sunday March 07, 2021 @04:07AM (#26374384)
You dislike talking to others about things you have a mutual love for, but you’re happy talking to others about things you have a mutual hate for.

There’s a name for that

Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by scribu on Sunday March 07, 2021 @07:59AM (#26375512)
Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by Teever on Sunday March 07, 2021 @06:53AM (#26375169)
All the comments in this thread remind me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZK8Z8hulFg
Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by statstutor on Sunday March 07, 2021 @07:07AM (#26375238)
It seems more ironic to me, that the parent likes talking about how much they hate talking about it.
Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by d0mine on Sunday March 07, 2021 @07:41AM (#26375427)
Tea gave us the notion of "null hypothesis" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_tasting_tea
Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by montenegrohugo on Sunday March 07, 2021 @08:09AM (#26375578)
What an interesting read. Thank you for sharing.
Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by polm23 on Sunday March 07, 2021 @07:55AM (#26375498)
Ah, I see you are a student of Rikyu.

茶の湯とは ただ湯をわかし茶をたてて のむばかりなる事と知るべし

Tea is naught but this; First you heat the water, Then you make the tea. Then you drink it properly. That is all you need to know.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/foods/matcha-chasen

Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by leto_ii on Sunday March 07, 2021 @05:50AM (#26374830)
> Use the combinations you enjoy.

Sure, but I think if you experiment enough you will converge on the kinds of brewing methods that are considered standard. Take for example gyokuro or certain kinds of sencha - it's quite objective to say that they shouldn't be infused in boiling hot water.

Or take smth like the delicate, flowery, fragrant Li Shan - would you mix it with milk, sugar, cinnamon etc.? Or flavor it with bergamot or jasmine? Sure you could, but you would objectively cover the flavors of the tea itself.

Re:ISO Standard for Preparing Tea by ricc on Sunday March 07, 2021 @04:14AM (#26374410)
> You can experiment with leaves and blends and temperatures and vessels.

Don’t forget about the steeping time.