Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le...
by mushbino on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:00AM
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Cut off services and have them go where? Also, how do you ban someone from a city? This is just a purely NIMBY response and not in any way realistic or helpful. You just really don't like it in your backyard and want it in someone else's backyard. I feel like your next suggestion is euthanasia.
Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le...
by lettergram on Sunday March 07, 2021 @12:54AM
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(1) Offer rehabilitation (many homeless don't willingly take advantage of this).
(2) Regularly push them out of where they are staying with officers. If necessary, use hoses or w.e.
People will either leave because they can't stay there or they attempt to rehabilitate. This is what they do most places outside of California.
This method often leads to rehabilitation, because they don't really have a choice. Those who don't want to be rehabilitate leave and start a life the next town over, live in the woods, what have you.
It's better for everyone in a society to hold each other accountable -- be apart of the society or leave. Many homeless are drug addicts and / or mentally ill, they need help, but you can't help them (unless they want to). By holding everyone accountable, everyone will be better off.
Re:Californians aren’t leaving the state en masse but are le...
by mangosensation on Sunday March 07, 2021 @09:10AM
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Homelessness is an incredibly stressful situation. As the richest country on Earth, and a very rich city, we can do better than hosing/kicking out with police for people who are already in a crisis situation. The added stress and suffering doesn't seem constructive.
I agree that you can't help someone unless they want help. But there hasn't been enough help offered to say that these people don't want help. Shelters have a lot of issues like theft. It's a vicious cycle. I'm sure the vast majority of the homeless are really suffering and don't want to be homeless.
A great read based on research, w citations: https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/proven-solutions/
I agree we need to hold each other accountable. But we should also take care of each other because it could've been you. If the people who are homeless grew up the way I did and got to go to good public schools, and didn't have the stress of poverty growing up, maybe they wouldn't have fallen into drugs or developed mental illnesses. We need to give people a chance.
Leaving a town that you are familiar with must be really stressful and scary. Living in the woods seems impossible nowadays (I certainly wouldn't know how). I'm afraid that if we push the homeless out of society, they would die. And that seems very unacceptable to me.
I’m saying it attracts people who need something. You stop services to people maintaining the status of quo and invest in rehabilitating and upon failure, removing people.
The problem is (idk how many homeless you’ve spoken with in SF). Most chose to be there, you have to make it somewhere they can’t live like that.
This is a failure of policy. Other cities have solved this, SF can too.