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Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by macspoofing on Friday March 05, 2021 @06:27PM (#26363611)
Let's say the school failed miserably in notifying the parent about this kid (and that's not settled fact, the school claims they did, but for argument's sake let's assume they didn't)...SO WHAT??? How does that absolve the parent of responsibility? How could this parent not be aware what her kid has been doing all these years? She didn't bother looking at his report card even once(the web portal is open to all parents)? Didn't bother meeting one of his teachers even once? Who is ultimately responsible for raising this kid? School or the parent?
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by jdavis703 on Friday March 05, 2021 @06:37PM (#26363690)
The report said the parent was working three jobs. I don’t know how we can expect someone like this to be a good parent. The blame here at least partly goes to a system that doesn’t provide all parents with the resources to raise successful children.
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by macspoofing on Friday March 05, 2021 @06:40PM (#26363714)
It's the system's fault. It's society's fault. It's the school board's fault. It's the school's fault. It's the teacher's fault. Who else's fault is it?
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by brnt on Saturday March 06, 2021 @03:11AM (#26365976)
The only thing at fault is the cultural need to isolate fault.

We've created a society, a system far too complex for such simple attributions. You're only fooling yourself if you blame any one of those parties.

A whole system analysis and solution is the only way to make meaningful progress.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by richwater on Friday March 05, 2021 @07:30PM (#26364066)
Everyone but the parents
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by umvi on Friday March 05, 2021 @07:51PM (#26364210)
I think the argument is yes it's the parents' fault. But that's not something we can directly fix. We can directly fix school budgets and stuff so that's what gets the blame. How do you fix broken families from a government perspective?
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by lurquer on Friday March 05, 2021 @09:15PM (#26364622)
Abolish divorce, criminalize adultery, castrate men who knock up women out of wedlock...

Something less drastic?

How about this..

Look at this thread. You’ll read all kinds of excuses for and blame of the mother.

Yet nobody mentioned the father.

A father — under our system — faces no penalty for neglecting a child. None. In a custody order where the mother has primary, the father has NO OBLIgATION to see the kid.

This is so engrained in our culture that, like I said, the thread doesn’t even mention a father...

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by rayiner on Friday March 05, 2021 @09:32PM (#26364701)
Harsh but true. The social damage caused by normalizing the notion that fathers don’t need to raise their kids is truly monumental.
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by nate_meurer on Saturday March 06, 2021 @01:02AM (#26365544)
Some would say it's the single biggest problem. A big chicken and egg problem-- fathers abandon boys who then expect to abandon their own kids, and girls who expect to be abandoned by the fathers of their own children. Can't really have a healthy human culture with that going on.
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by nate_meurer on Saturday March 06, 2021 @01:03AM (#26365547)
That is interesting.

In this case, it's quite possible the father is in prison.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by umvi on Friday March 05, 2021 @09:48PM (#26364778)
Yeah, it's messed up, I agree. Not sure how you can force the father to help, especially if the father is also a teen. Maybe flip a coin at the child's birth, heads the mother is 100% responsible, tails the father is 100% responsible. Maybe then we would have an equal number of single fathers raising kids as single mothers.
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by lurquer on Friday March 05, 2021 @11:48PM (#26365307)
You don't need to 'force the father to help' if the law deters illgitmate children in the first place.

In my line of work, I know of men who have upwards of a dozen children from just as many women. There is nothing in the law that deters this activity. Nothing. There used to be. And, when there was, it didn't happen.

Penises and Vaginas, orgasms and lust, haven't changed one iota in the past 10,000 years. I have little patience for those who wring their hands, fretting about how to stop this insanity. We know exactly how to stop it. You can open any legal code older than 100 years and see exactly how it is stopped.

The fact is, this society has made the deliberate and intentional decision to eradicate any responsibility on the part of men, leaving women absolutely fucked (and the daughters of these women even more screwed.) Ironcially, it was all done in the name of feminism.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by vasco on Saturday March 06, 2021 @12:47AM (#26365514)
Plenty of other countries are able to put kids through school without adultery laws.
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by lurquer on Saturday March 06, 2021 @01:27AM (#26365634)
The United States, depending on year, is #1 or #2 worldwide when it comes to single parent homes.

https://www.educationnext.org/international-look-single-pare...

In any case, nobody ever linked ‘adultery laws’ with school.

There are many ways to incentivize nuclear families and discourage illegitimacy.

And, many ways to do the opposite.

In US, for whatever bizarre reason, society had been trained to recoil at the idea of a nuclear family. Indeed, some readers will reflexively gag at my use of the term ‘illegitimate.’

It’s strange.

Occasionally you get these stories where people are ‘shocked’ that a kid in Baltimore didn’t go to school! Yet, the fact that he has no father is just ho-hum. Missing the forest for the trees.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by roninhacker on Saturday March 06, 2021 @12:30AM (#26365459)
Er...what was there in the law?
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by woofie11 on Saturday March 06, 2021 @04:48AM (#26366351)
Well:

* The law treated illegitimate children as illegitimate. It was harsh to be born out of wedlock. (https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/inheritance-rights-for-leg...). No child support. No inheritance. Etc.

* Until recently, there was no no-fault divorce. You couldn't up-and-leave a marriage without good cause. If your husband was beating you or your wife committed adultery, that was a valid reason. If you got bored, existential ennui, or married for child support in the first place, you were SOL unless the other party agreed. People were expected to make it work.

* All sorts of fraud laws around sex and sexual behavior. If we had sex because I promised to marry you, I was expected to marry you. Marriage was viewed as a legal agreement.

... and so on.

Most of it had problems, but there were some good ideas in there too. Adapting those to a 21st century framework of equal rights would be challenge, both intellectually and politically. There was a history of perverse, unintended consequences, intertwined changes, etc. and a discussion like this would be a political hot potato.

Divorce is also a massive industry and political lobby. It intertwines itself with social justice and feminism, so it's hard to tease out, but a lot of work is actively done to break up families, since lawyers, guardians ad litem, etc. profit. A lot of that hits low-income families, despite low-income divorce happening without bringing this industry in.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by SamPatt on Friday March 05, 2021 @10:02PM (#26364836)
Maybe we shouldn't be expecting the government to solve every problem in society, and the fact that we have this expectation might actually be making the problems worse by not allowing other non-governmental forces to play out?
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by mlyle on Friday March 05, 2021 @09:00PM (#26364551)
Yah. Because these broken families are going to produce more broken students next generation. The only option is to fix the system somehow.
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by why_Mr_Anderson on Saturday March 06, 2021 @03:22AM (#26366009)
I think we should blame Canada! from South Park movie for those who didn't get the reference, it's scary how relevant it still is
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by pvaldes on Saturday March 06, 2021 @07:02AM (#26366856)
> I don’t know how we can expect someone like this to be a good parent.

You either are or not. My bet would be that the parent is fully aware, but ashamed and in denial about the situation.

A busy mother is still a mother. Should know when their son is lying. She could be tricked for a month, for one year maybe, but when 4 entire years passed and she claims that didn't suspected anything... either she barely talks in the dinner with the boy about his day or she carefully circumnavigated the theme and don't really wanted to know the details of his education.

And some parents just don't like the school system. I know a case of a divorced mother that deliberately boycotted the education of her daughter repeatedly asking her to be at home so she didn't feel alone. The outraged school wanted to do a point and the truant girl had to repeated several years, with the same outcome and less effort put on it each year. Everybody, was relieved when she eventually reached the legal age, was dumped from the school, show the middle finger to everybody and keep with their former life (Partied hard, socialized a lot, found a partner and married). We could say that she is doing fine, in fact.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by cannabis_sam on Saturday March 06, 2021 @08:37AM (#26367242)
>You either are or not.

This is a lie you tell yourself to be able to continue to look down on people.

In the real world, people are affected by their circumstances, regardless of whether they have the ability to change them.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by pvaldes on Saturday March 06, 2021 @05:37PM (#26371157)
> This is a lie you tell yourself to be able to... (unrelated bad thing, you should be ashamed, blah, blah, blah...).

Not, this is a dichotomy covering all the possible outcomes, thus can't be a lie, by definition.

Some people are good parents, other are terrible at parenthood. Where is the lie in my statement? There are millions of examples.

If your son failed the school for four years, failed in ALL classes, didn't learn anything in your face, and you are clueless about that, don't blame other people. You have a responsibility in this train crash. You must calm down, do damage control and exercise more the communication part in your parenthood. You can be busy and tired, but this is no excuse for not showing the slighest interest for your boy's life, future plans, interests, or education. Not at this level.

Being a good parent is more than being just a food providing machine.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by RhysU on Saturday March 06, 2021 @08:14AM (#26367123)
Not looking at a report card for multiple years is not a resource issue.
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by Alupis on Friday March 05, 2021 @07:56PM (#26364233)
The system did provide the resources to raise successful children. This parent chose to ignore all of it.

Parents have to care for a child to do well (or even mediocre) in school. A child isn't going to choose to do difficult homework in lieu of video games if left up to their own choices.

If we examined the parent's school grades, we'd probably find a similarity, unfortunately. Same with the parent's parents. All this ultimately leads to working 3+ low-skill/low-education jobs just to keep a roof over your head. Every statistic about high school graduation rates firmly says so.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by t-writescode on Friday March 05, 2021 @06:40PM (#26363715)
> the web portal is open to all parents

... you even assume that the family has internet at home...

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by jonas21 on Friday March 05, 2021 @07:17PM (#26363983)
In the first 60 seconds of the video you can see:

- The mom holding an iPhone 12

- Her son playing video games on a large TV then pulling a smartphone out of his pocket.

I think it's reasonable to assume they have internet access, at the very least through their phones.

It's fine to challenge someone's assumptions, but it kind of feels like you're trying to pull a "gotcha" that doesn't apply in this case.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by cameldrv on Friday March 05, 2021 @07:05PM (#26363912)
If you meet a poverty threshold, you can get a free government subsidized phone including internet.
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by macspoofing on Friday March 05, 2021 @06:45PM (#26363755)
You got to be kidding me.
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by t-writescode on Friday March 05, 2021 @06:47PM (#26363783)
I don't think you even begin to comprehend the beginnings of an idea of the poverty that some people in the United States live in.

In Florida, my mom taught students whose homes *didn't even have floors*.

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by VRay on Friday March 05, 2021 @07:21PM (#26364006)
I think a lot of the people here just don't understand how overwhelmed/exhausted people in serious poverty are. In the USA, with enough gumption and know-how it's theoretically possible to get government-provided internet/food/health care and work your way up to a decent career.

BUT that's a very challenging process, and we should still have compassion for people who haven't managed to pull it off yet.

(I have no input on the specifics of this situation though, just trying to provide some context)

Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by ALittleLight on Saturday March 06, 2021 @05:21AM (#26366490)
I recently helped an unemployed friend with getting healthcare. It was actually incredibly easy and took maybe thirty minutes start to finish - where "start" was "Do you know if I can get health insurance through this program?" And "finish" was having good health insurance with active coverage confirmed on the phone with papers about to be mailed.
Re:Student passes 3 classes in 4 years, ranks near top half ... by nate_meurer on Saturday March 06, 2021 @01:05AM (#26365558)
Per a sibling comment, this lady has an expensive iPhone. And floors.