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Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by apichat on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @02:28AM (#26325676)
Linus Torvalds: ARM has a lot to learn from the PC :

"I think ARM is a very promising platform," he said. "At the same time, the ARM community has never had the notion of a standard platform. ARM never had the PC."

https://www.networkworld.com/article/2220438/linus-torvalds-...

Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by mhd on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @06:27AM (#26327046)
Nothing else ever had the PC. And IBM wasn't too happy that it happened to them, either.
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by TheRealDunkirk on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @09:11AM (#26328490)
It definitely makes Apple's decision to never allow generics seem wise in retrospect.
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by mbreese on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @10:00AM (#26329179)
But they did at one point in the late 90’s. I wouldn’t say that was the only reason why they nearly went bankrupt, but it certainly didn’t help.
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by TheRealDunkirk on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @10:10AM (#26329307)
Yeah, "never" was the wrong word. I forgot about that.
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by mhd on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @09:56AM (#26329122)
In a way, they themselves started becoming a manufacturer of "IBM compatibles", they just locked their OS to them.

A Jobs-less alternate Apple universe might've been interesting though. He both canned the licensed Apple clones and made OpenStep into the next major MacOS revision. If Copland would've been OS 8 or BeOS as OS X, there could be viable clones, and thus maybe enough critical mass to keep PowerPC alive a bit longer.

Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by uncledave on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @02:38AM (#26325735)
We did actually but Acorn canned it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebe_(computer)
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by guerrilla on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @04:18AM (#26326271)
That's not what he means by PC. He means an open standard that anyone can build against with comparability between products.
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by uncledave on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @10:02AM (#26329199)
That’s exactly what it was. Two other vendors were going to launch as well.
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by STRML on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @08:12AM (#26327846)
The Phoebe's launch OS (RISC OS 4) was codenamed "Ursula". Unfortunately, shortly into its development, the Phoebe went on an (indefinite) break.
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by rbanffy on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @06:02AM (#26326902)
In 1998, it would be an excellent opportunity to use Linux. At the time, I was playing with Apple's MkLinux on PowerMacs.
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by guywhocodes on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @04:22AM (#26326293)
Very interesting, the reason for cancelling seems to largely hold true today.
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by chung1905 on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @06:05AM (#26326913)
I'm curious, is there any reason that ARM doesn't have a standard platform? Or they are working on that?
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by my123 on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @06:35AM (#26327100)
It does, and it's called Arm SystemReady.

UEFI + ACPI is required on Arm if you want to boot Windows or RHEL/CentOS, which do not even try to boot on non-standardised 64-bit Arm systems.

Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by Vogtinator on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @08:01AM (#26327743)
Same for SLES/openSUSE, except for some platforms (RPi) where they use u-boot to provide EFI.
Re:Linux Desktop on Apple Silicon/M1 in Practice by coldtea on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @06:09AM (#26326945)
They are different vendors, working on different products...