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Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by whimsicalism on Monday March 01, 2021 @01:54PM (#26306589)
People are upset now that the current is shifting and you get shunned for being racist, rather than being shunned for not speaking properly or whatever the heck.

The underlying mechanism has not really changed.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by refenestrator on Monday March 01, 2021 @01:56PM (#26306615)
It's specifically about speaking properly.

Nobody gives a shit when Uber classifies their drivers as independent contractors to stiff them on benefits, but everybody cares about the propriety of master/slave replication terminology. We're dealing with police violence by capitalizing Black in our style guides. Etc etc etc.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by whimsicalism on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:11PM (#26306834)
> Nobody gives a shit when Uber classifies their drivers as independent contractors to stiff them on benefits,

I think quite a few people gave a shit? I think you're attacking a straw man, it is perfectly possible to have opinions on small stylistic issues (like master vs main) while also thinking that there are fundamental economic things that need to change.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by refenestrator on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:24PM (#26307034)
Uber's referendum won in California.

I'm sure that people 'care', and I suppose I'm straw-manning those people.. I'm not straw-manning the system. Time and again, challenges to monetary order aren't permitted but puritanical word-propriety is encouraged. It's an energy outlet.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by whimsicalism on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:34PM (#26307191)
> Time and again, challenges to monetary order aren't permitted but puritanical word-propriety is encouraged. It's an energy outlet.

I agree very much with this statement, but somehow have reached the opposite conclusion about whether "cancel culture" is a big problem that we need to spend a lot of time addressing. To me, that seems to be playing into the same issue you identified.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by refenestrator on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:55PM (#26307515)
Glad we agree on the shape of things :)

I was more being descriptive than prescriptive, I'm just posting here.. but it's a problem that all of the energy and outrage go into stylistic and cultural bullshit. In a perfect world we could channel that energy into community organizing, electoralism, or other forms of people getting out there and interacting with the groups they claim to speak for.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by zimpenfish on Monday March 01, 2021 @03:05PM (#26307676)
> Uber's referendum won in California.

Their appeal lost in the UK just last week.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by fallingknife on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:10PM (#26306816)
No one is complaining about going after actual racists. The problem is that things which aren't racist are now defined as racist and vice versa. e.g. saying that universities shouldn't admit students by race and only use grades and test scores is now "racist"
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by whimsicalism on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:17PM (#26306926)
I don't think that's racist, although, personally, I do think that people holding those takes often have a myopic view of the world.

You're saying that you think that your job would be in danger if you said publicly that you thought that universities should be race-blind?

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by fallingknife on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:26PM (#26307070)
Me personally no, but I'm not so sure that I would risk saying it. On the other hand, I know I would be in no danger whatsoever stating that I favored racial admissions policies. I am sure that I would be in danger if I criticized my employer's hiring policies on that point. You set a high bar, though. The idea of getting called racist for advocating directly against racism should be no more than a bad joke.
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by edbob on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:36PM (#26307223)
People are upset that the definition of racist has been repurposed to apply to racially neutral positions and even anti-racism positions. If one advocates in favor of enforcing existing immigration laws, that's a quick way to get labeled a racist Nazi even though it's actually a very moderate stance. If one supports treating everyone equally regardless of race, then that explicitly anti-racism position is characterized as racist and attacked with baseless accusations of "bad faith".