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Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by adamnemecek on Sunday February 28, 2021 @01:56AM (#26291240)
The author also wrote a blog post about how much he hates wearing anti-covid masks https://gavinhoward.com/2021/02/boycotting-petty-tyrant-busi.... Somehow I’m not surprised.

Also bc might not be quite the yardstick when it comes to software that needs to be secure.

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by fwip on Sunday February 28, 2021 @04:52PM (#26297429)
He seems to have many, ah, "controversial" opinions: https://campaign.gavinhoward.com/platform/

On religion and LGBTQ issues: > A strong, free nation can only be made up of religious and virtuous individuals, strong nuclear families with a cisgender father and a cisgender mother, and a lively and effective civil society, all protected under the wise framework of the Constitution as it was intended by our Founding Fathers. > To have a virtuous people, America must return to its religious roots. > Strong, nuclear families consisting of a cisgender father and a cisgender mother are the “fundamental units of society." All governments under the Constitution should protect and encourage them and discourage all other kinds of families made through voluntary actions.

On the right to vote and welfare: > they who have actually paid for the services of government, and thus, should have a say in how it runs. Those who haven’t, and get themselves addicted to welfare, should not, for they do not pay the price of living in society. > In addition, all government welfare is waste.

You can look at the sidebar for more fun tags, to see his opinions about Black Lives Matter (evil), "censorship" (Facebook and Squarespace taking down his favorite conspiracy pages), and many tags about his Mormon faith, which as an atheist, is probably not my place to criticize.

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by oblio on Sunday February 28, 2021 @02:07AM (#26291278)
Oh, and I see he posted the link himself. Gavin, the behavior you describe in your mask blog post is that of a inconsiderate jerk.

What good is a mask in your pocket?!?

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by marzullo on Sunday February 28, 2021 @02:24AM (#26291369)
It's still mind boggling to me that enforcing public safety procedures can be interpreted as any sort of tyranny. He purposefully goes out of his way to not wear a mask, but still takes the time to keep one in his pocket to just see how far he can go breaking the rules.
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by Gibbon1 on Sunday February 28, 2021 @03:43AM (#26291724)
I have trouble taking seriously claims that public health orders are tyranny when I can remember when the US had conscription.
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by ghoward on Sunday February 28, 2021 @10:27AM (#26294002)
Gavin here.

Mask mandates from governors are not, in fact, rules. Executive orders are not laws. See https://gavinhoward.com/2020/10/executive-agencies-cannot-ma... .

If a business decides to enforce their rule, well, then we both know that it would be best that I do as little business with them as possible.

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by ghoward on Sunday February 28, 2021 @10:25AM (#26293987)
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by oblio on Sunday February 28, 2021 @02:18PM (#26296186)
You're like that person in the Adult Swim sketch about Google being a guy, where the person asking "Google" about something gets a million results showing A) and just 1 result showing B), and they decide to take B).

First of all, if you're really arguing that masks affect mental health more than they save lives (https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matte...), I don't even know what to say. I'd really want to see the science behind this, but I suspect there isn't any real science. Common sense and knowledge of professions where people use a mask for long periods of time should be enough to debunk this.

Also, this is truly abhorrent:

> Of course, 161,392 people have died. (Oh whoops! It turns out that only 6% of those people died from COVID-19 alone, so it’s really 9,700 deaths)

If my car breaks don't work, I ostensibly die because I'll be crushed when my car falls of a cliff, but the real cause of my death is the fact that the car breaks didn't work.

For the other article, gee, I wonder if the folks behind it have an agenda to push: "Townhall: <<Conservative>> News, Cartoons, Top Stories".

Anyway, do realize that this is a global phenomenon, people aren't out to get your "freedoms" and countries which are far freer than the US have realized that Covid is a real pandemic and treat it using real science, not pseudo-sience peddled by crackpots or even worse, people with a hidden agenda (usually one about making $$$).

I know I won't change your mind, but please break out of your bubble. Find international sources, use Google Translate to see what they say, compare, contrast, think critically. Also, read up on your history and check out what they did to fight the 1919 flu, for example. Or SARS. Or what they're doing all over East Asia, mostly successfully.

Oh, by the way, your argument makes you look even worse than you think it does. It's all about ME ME ME! "There's a tiny chance that masks hurt me" and "there's a tiny chance that masks don't help others as much as people say", so basically, "f** everyone else in that case, I don't want to be inconvenienced".

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by ghoward on Sunday February 28, 2021 @03:29PM (#26296767)
I think you misunderstand my arguments. I think the ubiquity of masks hurts everybody.
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by oblio on Sunday February 28, 2021 @03:56PM (#26296980)
Because you can't see faces???
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by ghoward on Sunday February 28, 2021 @04:10PM (#26297095)
Who knows? The point is that we don't know all of the ways that masks affect us.
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by oblio on Monday March 01, 2021 @03:43AM (#26300754)
Look, bub, you're on HN, now on /r/im14andthisisdeep.

> Who knows? The point is that we don't know all of the ways that masks affect us.

I don't know all the ways that the rice I ate yesterday affects me. I'm not going to stop eating rice because of this.

Your argument is completely null.

When there's no clear proof of something having a strong negative effect, the rational thing is to assume it doesn't have a strong negative effect.

When something clearly has a strong positive effect, the rational thing is to assume it has a strong positive effect.

And when we decide to do something, we balance positives with negatives. There is nothing in this world that only has positive aspects (the opposite is also true, nothing truly has only negative aspects). We never do something because it's "perfect", we do things that are "good" (more positives than negatives). We live because of water and oxygen but water can drown us and oxygen can burn us.

Your logic is: "a lot of very respectable people (as well as common sense) say that this thing has a positive effect, but I don't know if it has any negative effect, so I just won't do it at all".

That's no logic, it sounds more like spite.

I don't say this lightly, even on the internet, but you act like a horrible person. Please reflect on your behavior and for your sake, I hope you change.

Anyway, goodbye!

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by ghoward on Monday March 01, 2021 @10:23AM (#26303568)
Rice has been with humans since basically the beginning. Masks, not so much. My argument is that we don't know if there are actually more positives than negatives with masks.

Oh, and by the way, there's arsenic in rice. https://www.fda.gov/food/cfsan-risk-safety-assessments/arsen...

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by ghoward on Sunday February 28, 2021 @10:24AM (#26293979)
For why I used bc, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26293876 .

For masks, see https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/masks-and-carbon-dioxide/ and https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matte... . In essence, those who claim that masks work might be right, but they also ignore other factors that, if considered, might show that masks are worse for us overall.

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by adamnemecek on Sunday February 28, 2021 @12:11PM (#26294846)
Your models don’t agree with experimental data.
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by ghoward on Sunday February 28, 2021 @12:27PM (#26295024)
They don't agree with _some_ experimental data, but yes.
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by adamnemecek on Sunday February 28, 2021 @12:39PM (#26295137)
Show me experimental data that they agree with.
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by CyberRabbi on Sunday February 28, 2021 @02:24AM (#26291367)
What does his position on masks have to do with the arguments he is making here?
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by throwaway19937 on Sunday February 28, 2021 @04:03PM (#26297038)
> What does his position on masks have to do with the arguments he is making here?

The Internet doesn't have a shortage of rants. If you're wrong about other areas then why should I care about your opinions on technology?

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by CyberRabbi on Sunday February 28, 2021 @05:07PM (#26297558)
Because he might have more expertise and experience in technology than medicine. We should evaluate arguments on their merits alone, ad hominem is destructive to effective discussion.
Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by throwaway19937 on Sunday February 28, 2021 @05:41PM (#26297797)
> We should evaluate arguments on their merits alone, ad hominem is destructive to effective discussion.

That doesn't consider the opportunity cost; time that I spend on this argument can't be spent on another better argument.

There are more arguments then I could read in a lifetime so I focus my attention on people who are otherwise sensible.

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by CyberRabbi on Sunday February 28, 2021 @05:59PM (#26297913)
> so I focus my attention on people who are otherwise sensible.

Participation in a discussion usually implies an interest and a willingness to spend your time considering various arguments. If you only limit your exposure to arguments made by people who agree with you in other domains then I have to conclude your interest in this space is not very high.

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by throwaway19937 on Sunday February 28, 2021 @07:39PM (#26298537)
> Participation is a discussion usually implies an interest and a willingness to spend your time considering various arguments.

My only posts in this thread have been to explain why I flagged the post and why I feel it's valid to dismiss the author based on his other views.

The author's position on masks is that he's too precious to comply with local laws, that businesses complying with said laws should be boycotted, and that executive orders aren't actually laws so he isn't bound by them. The first two beliefs are merely antisocial; it's the last claim that causes me to place him in the crank category.

> If you only limit your exposure to arguments made by people who agree with you in other domains then I have to assume your interest in this space is not very high.

My political beliefs are sufficiently bizarre that at best few people agree with them; if anything, he and I probably have some beliefs in common.

Re:Rust, Zig, and the Futility of “Replacing” C by CyberRabbi on Sunday February 28, 2021 @07:43PM (#26298555)
I consider dismissing arguments outright based on ad hominem and guilt by association without consideration of their substance deeply anti social and otherwise harmful to human collaboration, peace, and progress.