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Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by throw_away892 on Friday February 26, 2021 @10:53PM (#26282428)
This looks like simply naive thinking. Without evidence to backup your statement about Apple, everything about it breaks the cardinal rule of the ads business.
Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by beowulfey on Saturday February 27, 2021 @12:34AM (#26282924)
On the contrary—I’m not sure if you’ve ever watched Mad Men, but there are some pretty good examples of ads in there that didn’t use tracking at all.

Calling tracking a cardinal rule of ads is like calling HTML a cardinal rule of communication. Sure it might be ubiquitous now, but if HTML were to suddenly disappear I guarantee communication between humans won’t stop — it would adapt. Tracking isn’t a foundation, it is merely what has worked this past decade or so.

Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by throw_away892 on Saturday February 27, 2021 @12:58AM (#26283014)
I enjoyed Mad Men. But comparing web advertising today to the 70-80s is disingenuous.

Fact of the matter is, advertising today / web marketing relies on user tracking. I'm yet to see anyone debunk this.

Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by beowulfey on Saturday February 27, 2021 @02:16PM (#26287327)
My point is that advertising right now uses tracking because it can be used, and it makes money.

But in no way does it need it. We could easily go back to untargeted, reasonably effective ads that appeal to broad markets instead of extremely specific ones.

Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by zepto on Saturday February 27, 2021 @10:36AM (#26285480)
> advertising today / web marketing relies on user tracking.

It’s ‘disingenuous’ to claim that as some cardinal rule.

It’s not - it just happens to be the most popular business fad of the 2010s.

What works in business changes over time. That is a cardinal rule.

Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by Teever on Saturday February 27, 2021 @01:35AM (#26283157)
I think what is disingenuous is calling what goes on in the modern internet as 'advertising'

Let's call it what it is -- stalking.

Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by zepto on Friday February 26, 2021 @11:05PM (#26282473)
Not really.

Google built a super successful ad business on search terms alone, long before they got into user tracking.

Do you have any evidence that Apple tracks users for their ad business - which only sells ads for apps when users search for them?

Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by throw_away892 on Saturday February 27, 2021 @12:19AM (#26282853)
Check their ad business brief - https://searchads.apple.com/

As requested, evidence of tracking in iPhones - https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2020/11/16/appl...

Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by zepto on Saturday February 27, 2021 @12:57AM (#26283008)
> As requested, evidence of tracking in iPhones

That isn’t evidence of Apple tracking anything.

IDFA is used by Facebook and ad-tech companies.

Apple are switching IDFA to be Opt-In rather than opt out.

That’s what Facebook is complaining about.

Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by throw_away892 on Saturday February 27, 2021 @01:07AM (#26283052)
> IDFA

The mechanism for tracking users is already present. What more proof do you need?

Even if you manage to toggle 3rd parties out of your phone. You cannot toggle the Apple out of it.

Re:Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules by zepto on Saturday February 27, 2021 @10:39AM (#26285497)
> The mechanism for tracking users is already present. What more proof do you need?

Evidence that Apple uses it.

The mechanism relies on libraries which send user behavior from other app to Facebook. These are correlated by the ID.

The identifier is not the mechanism. The mechanism is Facebook’s library.

Apple has no such mechanism.

> You cannot toggle the Apple out of it

False.

There is a toggle for the entire feature.