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Re:Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrin... by giantg2 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @07:28AM (#26236524)
Here's something interesting to think about.

Did you ever hear of a canary in a coal mine? The miners would take birds in with them to alert them to dangers gasses. If there were dangerous gasses he bird would typically die before the miners did. This is because the bird has very high performance lungs so that they can supply enough oxygen to beat their wings quickly.

You basically can't own a bird in an appartment and cook with teflon cookware or run the self clean setting on the oven (they are teflon coated inside) because the fumes will kill them.

Re:Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrin... by voqv on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @08:46AM (#26237146)
That last paragraph does not seem to be true. Well only if you're an "an absent-minded person" according to:

https://www.petcoach.co/article/teflon-toxicity-ptfe-toxicos...

Re:Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrin... by giantg2 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @09:13AM (#26237423)
Do you really think that people who own nonstick pans are only using them a low and medium settings as the article recommends? Or that most apartments have a vent hood for the stove? Something they don't mention is that the FDA also recommends throwing out nonstick pans made before 2013 (I think that was the year) because the older pans emit more fumes and at lower temperatures.

Sure, if you're extremely careful about using it, it's possible. That's why my previous comment wasn't absolute. But the majority of people I've known who use them seem to treat the pans poorly and cook with them at all temperatures. Many times they only own nonstick pans (who has space for multiple sets in an appartment?), and use them at all temperatures.

Re:Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrin... by voqv on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @09:28AM (#26237616)
That's literally what my first comment was saying :) It's kind of crazy how widespread this issue is though.
Re:Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrin... by somehnguy on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @11:02AM (#26238819)
I've read this all over the internet but my parents had a bird live very well past the expected bird lifespan and modified nothing about their normal habits (using teflon pans, cleaning the oven, etc) the entire time. The bird's cage was like 15 feet from the oven. Just a single anecdotal data point but I think the risk is extremely overblown.
Re:Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrin... by giantg2 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @11:28AM (#26239191)
Interesting.

I see the risk as being in the level where I choose not to use teflon pans, but not extreme enough to ban it or force others to follow my choices. I think the environmental impact from the manufacturers is a bigger concern that should be monitored more closely. I think they have a Netflix documentary about one place in WV. Of course the company switched to a new (largely untested) chemical for new coatings. Just a shell game to stay in compliance or public favor, like with BPA vs BPS.

Re:Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrin... by forgotmypw17 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @11:40AM (#26239368)
I agree that for the average Joe, it is a waste of effort to try to get bans enacted. That time is much better spent doing research (or contracting a trusted qualified person to do so) and then enacting changes in the space they personally have agency over.
Re:Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrin... by giantg2 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @12:20PM (#26239949)
I'm just saying that I don't think it's right people to tell other what to do unless it has some direct and well demonstrated impact to the rights of another. As long as the manufacturers are correctly controlling the waste, then I don't see why banning it would make sense. Sort if like some people choose to smoke cigarettes- that's their choice.