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Re:Is soy a key driver of deforestation? by lotsofpulp on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @04:35AM (#26235415)
I don’t need to do any gymnastics, cheese just tastes so good. Probably the least healthy thing I eat, and most difficult to limit.

I don’t need or crave sugar, chocolate, alcohol, coffee, tea... but cheese, yogurt, milk, and their derivations are irresistible.

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Re:Is soy a key driver of deforestation? by krageon on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @05:30AM (#26235696)
If guilt tripping turned people vegan, everyone would be vegan by now (seriously, who hasn't heard at least one berate them like this?). Given that this isn't the case, perhaps you can come up with something that is a little more convincing.
Re:Is soy a key driver of deforestation? by roebk on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:13AM (#26235992)
There's nothing wrong with restating the facts.

Your argument could be applied to a host of topics. The truth is, the vast majority of people aren't willing to change. For example, heart disease is the biggest killer in the world and yet people still don't take the required steps to prevent themselves of suffering from that disease.

Re:Is soy a key driver of deforestation? by creata on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:19AM (#26236032)
> There's nothing wrong with restating the facts.

Sure, but it's still counterproductive. Most people respond to guilt by just digging their heels in. When you want to convince someone to give up something dear to their heart, you have to tread carefully.

Re:Is soy a key driver of deforestation? by krageon on Thursday February 25, 2021 @05:31AM (#26261576)
> There's nothing wrong with restating the facts.

There's nothing inherently wrong with anything. That said, they're being restated for a reason and unless that reason is the satisfaction of reading the post or hearing the words out of your own mouth, restating these facts doesn't make any sense.

Re:Is soy a key driver of deforestation? by cpursley on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @09:32AM (#26237677)
The main causes of heart disease in the US are sugar, excessive carbs and smoking, not Saturday morning bacon.
Re:Is soy a key driver of deforestation? by roebk on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @04:41PM (#26243260)
Highly refined carbs are certainly a problem. Regardless of your opinion, red meat - including processed meat such as bacon - is also a cause of coronary heart disease.

"We found that greater intakes of total, unprocessed, and processed red meat were each associated with a higher risk of CHD. Compared with total, unprocessed, or processed red meat, other dietary components such as soy, nuts, and legumes were associated with a lower risk of CHD." [1]

[1] https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4141

Re:Is soy a key driver of deforestation? by tpoacher on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:34PM (#26244527)
This study suffers from severe methodological flaws, which the authors acknowledge (having made their research questions explicit), but alas it is used in ways that extrapolate the findings to conclusions unsupported by the study.

In particular, the findings are entirely compatible with 1. The possibility that meat will lead to a reduction in risk if used in the same kinds of dishes as the nuts and legumes in this study 2. Nuts and legumes will lead to an increase in risk if used in the same kinds of dishes as the hotdogs and burgers which were the focus of the study.

I've seen people (not you) dump citations like this to claim health benefits for crap like facon, which is deepfried coconut infused in liquid smoke, at the same time as branding a caesar salad a cardiac risk.

Re:Is soy a key driver of deforestation? by wooger on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @08:32AM (#26237004)
Your addiction to breathing causes harm to the environment, so selfish.
Re:Is soy a key driver of deforestation? by Monory on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @04:04AM (#26248078)
You can, however, live without cheese. You cannot without breathing.