Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn

Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by debarshri on Monday February 22, 2021 @08:01AM (#26224006)

$1.5M goes a long way if the work is outsourced. Generally bigger orgs will have internal contracts. For instance IBM Canada outsources to IBM India at internal discounted rates. When I used to work for TCS, a budget of $80k was good enough for team of 4 for 6 months. I can only imagine that at $1.5M, it is definitely going to get them a few teams.

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by acdha on Monday February 22, 2021 @08:27AM (#26224222)

What’s the quality of that Indian team like, though? You’re adding multiple layers of overhead before anything gets to the actual workers and in my experience once you got under, say, 70% of U.S. rates the quality plummeted because people capable of doing solid technical work are also capable of researching rates and jumping to a better job.

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by debarshri on Monday February 22, 2021 @01:00PM (#26227805)

To be honest it really depends. It is a mixed bag when it comes to quality. I have seen some of the smartest people in those organizations. It is truly about how well you can manage the people working on your project.

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by disabled on Monday February 22, 2021 @10:21AM (#26225519)

It can be very high if there is excellent continuity of communication (for asynchronous work matters), the right tools are being used (for asynchronous work), and the workers have the right qualifications and experience.

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by acdha on Monday February 22, 2021 @10:38AM (#26225707)

Oh, definitely: I just haven’t found it to be anywhere near as cheap as the money guys tell people – you can certainly save some money, possibly even enough to make up for the communication delays, but I’ve never heard of it being anywhere near the wild claims, and sometimes it’s even a net loss.

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by disabled on Monday February 22, 2021 @12:10PM (#26227008)

I cannot reply to your lower post, as the post tree has been expanded too far.

I just want to say that Americans, and certain other westerners have no right to talk badly about teams from places like India.

These teams often have some of the hardest working people in the world. They often have amazing academic credentials too, along with work credentials.

People who shortchange and underpay these extremely hardworking, gracious, and devoted people are scum. The same goes with talking negatively about people from diverse places. They are not all that different from you!

With the "globalization" that is occurring via the internet, which is being accelerated unbelievably fast by the pandemic, Americans are likely going to be in for an unbelievably ugly surprise in the next 10-20 years.

I am American and I do not want my fellow Americans to suffer, but lifestyle, even in STEM fields is going to decline hardcore. If I am correct on my bets, it will no longer be as remotely comfortable as it was in STEM for Americans.

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by acdha on Monday February 22, 2021 @01:06PM (#26227899)

I completely agree - and it’s not like there aren’t plenty of Americans who coasted in a boom market or relying on things like nepotism, too.

The main thing I see impacting offshoring is communications: it’s hard to build custom software for a business you don’t understand and most companies haven’t been willing to invest in effective mitigation strategies. I’m expecting one outcome of this to be Indian companies pivoting towards SaaS, realizing that many businesses increasingly see in-house software development as a riskier choice.

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by disabled on Monday February 22, 2021 @11:15AM (#26226209)

I agree.

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by acdha on Monday February 22, 2021 @12:00PM (#26226837)

This issue really annoys me because some people start claiming that Indian developers aren’t good when it’s basically as simple as getting what you pay for.

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by danpalmer on Monday February 22, 2021 @08:13AM (#26224106)

This only works if the internal client doesn't take the savings as margin, _and_ the communication and project management is good enough to overcome the issues that come with outsourcing.

In this case you've now got 3 levels of project management (Canadian govt, IBM CA, IBM India), 2 countries, 2+ languages, and 2 layers of a company who are banned from government contracts in parts of the world for over spending and under delivering.

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by thegeekbin on Monday February 22, 2021 @09:47AM (#26225106)

IBM Formula For Pricing:

Initial Price = Estimated_Cost / 1000

"Oops, we need more money" = (Estimated_Exec_Bonus + Estimated_Corp_Greed) + Worker_Cost + Extra_Corp_Greed

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Re:Virtual passport app presents real data risk, experts warn by debarshri on Monday February 22, 2021 @01:03PM (#26227858)

It might not be organized that way. For instance, it could be that IBM canada basically sold the project and IBM India are the people who would be implementing it. I don't enough about IBM's organization structure to comment on this topic.

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