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Re:Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate by gruez on Sunday February 21, 2021 @09:21AM (#26213600)
>Pretty sure their obligations to any shareholders would be to limit it so more gamers can play and buy games for it.

It's not really the same because playstations are sold at break-even or at a loss with the expectation that follow-up revenue would make up for it. On the other hand no such dynamic exists for nvidia. For them, sale to a miner is the same as a sale to gamer.

Re:Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate by johnday on Sunday February 21, 2021 @09:23AM (#26213618)
This may look true from the perspective of a single sale, but in the long term this just doesn't hold up. NVIDIA builds a strong and long-held reputation with gamers, and are a well renowned name in the field. If they made cards for miners at the detriment of gamers, they risk losing that valuable market position.
Re:Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate by gruez on Sunday February 21, 2021 @09:35AM (#26213692)
This is a common sentiment I see on discussion forums, but I think it's wishful thinking at best. Most consumers aren't enthusiasts that follow these types of news, and even the ones who do probably won't care/remember a few years down the line. After all, nvidia seems to be doing just fine despite their long history of anti-consumer practices over the years.
Re:Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate by j1dopeman on Sunday February 21, 2021 @09:51AM (#26213810)
I think they run the risk of people giving up on pc gaming completely or never getting into it in the first place. A market that has and should be growing will shrink instead.
Re:Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate by Filligree on Sunday February 21, 2021 @12:19PM (#26215232)
This is already happening. I have friends who would, in other circumstances, be building gaming PCs right now, so we could play games together, but–

It's simply not possible.

Re:Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate by comex on Sunday February 21, 2021 @01:18PM (#26215697)
Which anti-consumer practices? That is, given that we're talking about gamers.

There's Nvidia's longstanding allergy to open source, but that only affects the tiny fraction of gamers who use Linux.

There's this hash rate thing, but from a gamer's perspective that's pro-consumer.

I suppose you can count their price increases for recent GPU generations. But I don't know if that rises to the level of "anti-consumer". Especially when they've been delivering performance to match.

The best example I can think of is their policy of requiring servers to use their more-expensive 'professional' line of GPUs. This does hurt gamers, since it forces game streaming services using Nvidia cards to charge higher prices. That said, among the major streaming services, Stadia, xCloud, and PlayStation Now all use AMD GPUs, while GeForce Now can skirt the policy since it belongs to Nvidia itself. The remaining services are relatively obscure – though perhaps they'd be less obscure if Nvidia didn't have that policy.

Re:Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate by noxer on Sunday February 21, 2021 @01:36PM (#26215869)
Would be true if there is healthy competition. And if a significant percentage of potential buyers would know about it and thus avoid NVIDIA. However in reality most customers wont know and they still get the GPU its just expensive which they most likely see as a result of the pandemic.
Re:Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate by paulie_a on Sunday February 21, 2021 @09:30AM (#26213661)
I thought this was long ago disproven. That at very early stages yes breakeven or small loss happens. But rapidly becomes mildly profitable per unit
Re:Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate by gruez on Sunday February 21, 2021 @09:57AM (#26213875)
Is this as a result of how the r&d expenses are deducted against revenue, or manufacturing process improvements?
Re:Nvidia Limits RTX 3060 Hash Rate by M277 on Sunday February 21, 2021 @12:12PM (#26215167)
Mostly software subscriptions, actually.. things like PS Plus, etc. On consoles, you need to pay money (subscription) to be able to play multi-player for instance (whereas on PC it's free), and games in general are more expensive compared to PC (last time I checked).