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Re:I Miss My Bar by renewiltord on Friday February 19, 2021 @02:12AM (#26190535)
Yeah but you can't meet strangers. We're all bubbled in. And I love my friends, they're my pillar of peace in this pandemic, but there is a different part of me that craves the interaction with strangers in strange places.
Re:I Miss My Bar by taurath on Friday February 19, 2021 @04:34AM (#26191212)
Nothing has changed in the Pacific Northwest - people won’t talk to you Covid or not
Re:I Miss My Bar by forgotmypw17 on Friday February 19, 2021 @03:46AM (#26190951)
It's a great opportunity to connect with non-humans: mushrooms, plants, insects, birds, mammals.

When is the last time you have even looked at one of them closely, let alone formed a close relationship?

It is something we humans have done our entire existence, until recently, yet many today go their entire life without such an experience.

Re:I Miss My Bar by slaymaker1907 on Friday February 19, 2021 @05:59AM (#26191757)
I know you're trying to be helpful, but these kinds of posts just come off as incredibly condescending and out of touch. Lack of nature is not considered to be actual torture, but complete isolation from other people (solitary confinement) is.
Re:I Miss My Bar by forgotmypw17 on Friday February 19, 2021 @07:31AM (#26192426)
I apologize if that came off as condescending. That is exactly what I mean, however, you are writing off non-human companionship and interaction as worthless, when it can bring endless joy and comfort when humans are not available.
Re:I Miss My Bar by throwanem on Friday February 19, 2021 @08:09AM (#26192720)
It's not the same, in a way that matters.

I grew up outside a small rural town, running barefoot all over creation every chance I got, and most of the time by myself. These days I'm a wildlife photographer by avocation, and over the last couple of years I've gotten deeply into macro - I take pictures of wasps while they're doing wasp things, and as a result of that, I'm not only no longer afraid of them, I've kind of fallen in love with them. They are at this point by far my favorite insects, and high up among my favorite animals overall. I like them better than most mammals at this point, and some of the best pictures I've ever taken of a spider wasp, I got in my backyard last October. Aside from that, research papers on wasp ethology have been a gateway into entomology as a special interest, to an extent where if I had it to do over I might go into that instead of software engineering. I've even learned to make and bind books from scratch, initially because I wanted paper textbooks instead of PDFs.

All of that means a great deal to me. None of it makes up for the fact that, over the course of the last year, I've only been able to spend a few hours in the company of a friend, and none in that of colleagues. I'm somewhat solitary by inclination, and I think that makes it less hard on me than on most. But even for me, it's been hard. I can't imagine what it's been like for anyone who came into this both alone and without the good fortune of knowing how to be satisfied with their own company. These aren't good circumstances under which to have to learn that, and even the most cursory glance at the comments in this thread overall is enough to show that the success rate has probably not been high.

Yes, every so often you get someone like me, who can feel good for days about the pompilid wasp who turned up in his home office for an impromptu visit. Every so often you get a Birdman of Alcatraz, too. To suggest that everyone should just instantly be a Birdman - I mean, I get that you're trying to help, and I respect that. But you seem not to have given any thought to how to make your advice potentially useful to someone whose perspective differs greatly from your own.

It's an easy mistake to make - I do it often enough myself. But it's still a mistake, and it's why the criticism you're getting is warranted. The intention is obviously good, but the execution needs a deal of improvement.

Re:I Miss My Bar by forgotmypw17 on Friday February 19, 2021 @08:15AM (#26192786)
I see what we're saying, and you're right that it is a huge negative impact.

Perhaps, then, it is worth re-evaluating how much we allow our lives to be controlled by threats and mass media messages.

Re:I Miss My Bar by renewiltord on Friday February 19, 2021 @12:28PM (#26195461)
I've formed close relationships with mammals all my life. In fact, that's where all my close relationships are.