no worries, I'm pretty known for being reactive to comments of all kinds, it's both a feature and a bug. SQLAlchemy was never meant to be as "simple" as django but I just dont want people to be scared off of it; that said, I'm super glad everyone who uses django sticks with django because they would be very grumpy SQLAlchemy users. the idea is supposed to be, make a larger investment upfront, get a bigger payoff. it's a tough balloon to float which is why I'm always nosing around people's twitter threads.