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Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by Fuzzwah on Thursday February 18, 2021 @06:53AM (#26178782)
I'm an outsider to US politics (in that I'm Australian), but I'm really interested to know what widely held "left" views you think are "incorrect"?

The topics I understand as being pushed by the left in the US just seem so centerist to me, based on the political landscape that I'm living in.

Single payer health care, minimum wage increases, increases in social support nets... So many topics I'd love to hear the argument against from any stand point that isn't pure capitalist greed.

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by plake on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:30AM (#26179048)
Also not an American, but the US left has a lot of controversial views that are nothing to do with the things you've listed. Surely you've heard of some?
Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by Fuzzwah on Thursday February 18, 2021 @12:13PM (#26182523)
Maybe I shouldn't have given any examples. Clearly I'm not aware of the problematic topics. Can you share some?
Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by zo1 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @11:03AM (#26181448)
What do you mean by incorrect? Because you're asking us to prove/argue that Left policies are incorrect. By correct/incorrect do you mean:

Moral/Immoral?

Right/Wrong?

Fair/Unfair?

If we can agree on judging policies, platforms, ideologies and beliefs on a shared set of criteria, then we can move forward, otherwise we're just shouting at each-other.

You can tell me all day long that it's fair for me to get my stuff taken away without my consent by an entity because I got born within it's "borders"; but that won't make it fair for me within my moral framework, irrespective of how much I deplore the suffering of the poor and unfortunate and want to help them.

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by Fuzzwah on Thursday February 18, 2021 @12:14PM (#26182541)
The comment I responded to said:

> in my opinion it's artificially solidified their confidence on how "correct" they feel they are about political topics.

I was wondering what topics these were.

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by chmod600 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @03:45PM (#26185250)
The US has four states with population comparable to Australia.

It would be perfectly centrist for a couple states to enact the policies you mention, assuming they can work out the details and balance the books. When these policies turn into wild success stories, other states might follow.

It probably makes sense to start with some small-medium sized, well-governed blue states first, like when MA implemented Romneycare.

But the left position is to enact these polcies nationally across the US, which has >10x the number of people in your country. And there are a ton of details that nobody really even wants to talk about, and no plan to adapt when things don't work out. So, we are just supposed to trust Congress with a huge amount of extra money and a lot more power because the title of the bill sounds nice?

There are also a lot of policies that seem uniquely designed to punish the "right". I am pro-choice, but I recognize that a lot of people in the US are really, really not. But a lot of people on the left don't just want it legal, they want to use taxpayer money to pay for it. Think about how that makes tens of millions of evangelical Christians feel? There are enough pro-choice organziations that they can pool money from pro-choice people to subsidize abortions. The taxpayer money isn't needed. Why force it?

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by kwinten on Friday February 19, 2021 @11:17AM (#26194654)
That last argument sure sounds like an argument from feels rather than facts and logic, I thought the right hated that kind of rhetoric.

The obvious answer is of course that health care is a public service and should not be reliant on charitable organizations, which would be absolutely ridiculous. (Yes reproductive care is health care, arguments made from personal feelings or believes are not a worthy retort against medical scientific consensus)

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by edmundsauto on Thursday February 18, 2021 @08:38PM (#26188418)
Couldn't this argument be made for the Border Patrol, or the war in Iraq? There are lots of things my tax dollars pay for that I find morally repugnant.
Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by chmod600 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @09:59PM (#26189075)
It's a matter of degree and alternatives. Borders and wars are clearly the domain of the federal government as described by the Constitution. If you don't like it, your only real option is to elect better people. Yeah, it sucks when our leaders invade Iraq for no reason, and then we elect one of few diseenting voices to be our next president and then he... invades Libya. So I realize my words are cold comfort, but there's no much else I can say.

But abortion funding is not the domain of the federal government and there is not much reason for it to be. There are plenty of private citizens who are pro choice and could fund abortion subsidies. It would probably be easier to do that than fight a political battle over it, which also costs money.

A government should govern the people that are actually here, not who you wish were here. Maybe in some places nobody minds abortion, but the US is not one of those places. So, we've got to respect those tens of millions of people at least enough to not spend their money on abortion.

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by edmundsauto on Saturday February 20, 2021 @02:21PM (#26206966)
This sounds like a technicality argument - wars are in the Constitution, so whatcanyoudo?

If we should respect the views of tens of millions of people in one area, we should do it in another. If we think that life is sacred and we shouldn’t spend federal money to end it, let’s be consistent.

there are significant gaps in funding for these services, especially in underprivileged areas.

Would you support increasing WIC and other benefits for these children? Because if not, this policy decision would increase the number of people who grow up hungry.

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by dcolkitt on Thursday February 18, 2021 @08:35AM (#26179606)
I would say the time the NYT literally covered up the crimes of Stalin, might have been one point where its ideological bias led it off track.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by PoignardAzur on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:50AM (#26179206)
The minimum wage increase that Biden is pushing for is radical. He wants a 15$/hour minimum wage, which if I believe Wikipedia would be the highest minimum wage in the world right now.

Not saying that's a bad thing, but I think it would qualify as left-wing in most countries.

Agreed about social safety nets and most other policies. Sometimes it feels Americans don't realize how uniquely chaotic and inefficient their system is, compared to every other western country. The healthcare system in particular.

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by 542354234235 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @10:46AM (#26181171)
> would be the highest minimum wage in the world right now.

Australia's minimum wage for people over 21 is over $15 USD for full time work, and over $19 USD for part time (you receive a 25% casual loading rate increase for part time work). [1] That comes out to about 70% of their GDP per capita (working 38 hours per week, 50 weeks a year). The US going to $15 an hour would only be 43% of GDP per capita. If the US paid its minimum wage workers according to our actual economic output per person, our minimum wage would be $24 an hour, to match Australia. I wouldn’t really call $15 an hour radical.

[1] https://blog.aigroup.com.au/australia-had-the-highest-minimu...

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by ansible on Thursday February 18, 2021 @08:14AM (#26179431)
Eh, it isn't that radical. These people making minimum wage are likely working part-time, so they don't get medical insurance. They often have to find two or more part-time jobs. Do they are working more hours than a full time job, but still don't have medical.

An increase in the minimum wage will help a little, but having affordable health care works help more.

Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by temp8964 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @10:57AM (#26181336)
More economists agree it will increase unemployment per IGM survey https://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/the-us-minimum-wage/
Re:Before buying a NYT subscription, here's what it'll take ... by goatinaboat on Thursday February 18, 2021 @04:18PM (#26185719)
The minimum wage increase that Biden is pushing for is radical. He wants a 15$/hour minimum wage

By 2025, and only for Federal workers. The small print in that promise that only came out after the election.