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Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by kelnos on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @09:30PM (#26161925)
In 1996 (or thereabouts), I lived in Maryland, and my family lost power for 6 days due to a snow/ice storm that took out a ton of power lines (water froze on them and the added weight pulled them down). We had no natural gas service, and our running water was provided by a well in the backyard that had an electric pump. So no electricity, heat, or running water for 6 days in ~20-30°F weather. (Fortunately we'd prepared by buying many gallons of drinking water, and filling up bathtubs and buckets with water earlier in the week.)

We had two fireplaces in the house, one each in the living room and master bedroom, so we kept all doors closed and all slept in the master bedroom. They did a decent enough job keeping us somewhat comfortable while wearing several layers and winter coats at all times, and sleeping in sleeping bags and with extra blankets. (An oddity of our house was that the chimney ran through the middle of it, not outside an exterior wall, so even some of the heat going up it would warm the house a bit.)

After 4 days my dad felt the roads were clear enough for us to go to a motel where we could shower and experience some heat. Going back to the house after that (before power was restored) was in some ways worse than enduring the first 4 days.

Granted, the reason for that outage was very different from what happened in Texas, but I just wanted to highlight that our power grid everywhere is still very susceptible to bad weather. (Well, ok, this story is 25 years old, but I suspect things haven't changed all that much.)

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by beerandt on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @12:29AM (#26163059)
>Granted, the reason for that outage was very different from what happened in Texas

There are actually a lot of ice/ freezing-rain downed powerlines happening simultaneously with the rolling blackouts, and that's a huge part of the problem.

The grid/supply is being blamed for both. Of course if the lines weren't down, it would increase demand and there wouldn't magically be any more supply to feed them... but it does explain why a lot of people's blackouts aren't "rolling."

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by JamesBarney on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @12:46AM (#26163144)
The grid supply issue is orders of magnitude worst than the downed powerlines.

I don't know anyone who is affected by a downed powerline and I know 12 people without power.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by devwastaken on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @03:16AM (#26163948)
We've had a ridiculous cold snap in northern U.S. the last couple of weeks, where every day is at least -15f and every night -30f, not including wind-chill. So much so that 8f out feels warm now.

Have not had even a blip of outage for anything. Last year I believe something damaged a large power pole and we were out for 3 hours.

If warmer states took notes on how north states do it we wouldn't be in this pickle I assume. Also warm states need to bury their water lines deeper.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by blabitty on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @10:16PM (#26162225)
I remember that storm! Week off of school and you could skate right on the sidewalk.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by VonGuard on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @10:33PM (#26162324)
I remember trees encased in beautiful ice. Freezing rain, basically encased everything in that ice: powerlines, trees, roads, it was a monster.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by kevinmchugh on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @12:33AM (#26163081)
Interior or central chimneys make more sense to me than ones against an exterior wall, and they seem common enough in houses of a certain vintage at least. If your chimney is on an outer wall, doesn't it radiate heat to the outdoors?
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by KSteffensen on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @02:57AM (#26163838)
Chimneys on outer walls are worse on every measure compared to internal ones.

They loose heat to the outdoors as you say and since they cool down a lot faster than the internal chimneys it is also generally harder to get the fire going when re-lighting. The chimney on my house is on an outer wall and when it's below 0C I have to light a fire every day or it becomes too much of a hassle to get it going.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by xornor on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:37AM (#26163407)
Here where I live (northern Europe), chimneys are always internal. Nobody would even think external chimneys. Heat loss is massive that way.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by adingus on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @05:39AM (#26164935)
Old houses in New England were built with internal chimneys for the same reason (less heat loss).

Houses in southern states were built with external chimneys which made sense for a couple reasons. Back in the day people would keep a fire 24/7 for cooking and that fire + southern heat is uncomfortable. Because of the shorter cold season the chimney was on the outside of the house. Also, in the case of chimney fires you could tie a chain around an external chimney and rip it down with a horse, hopefully saving your home.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by hinkley on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @12:50AM (#26163169)
The ones on the outside can use outside air to go up the chimney, avoiding the problem listed above. Harder to do with inside chimneys.

Last place I rented with a fireplace, there was a metal door in brickwork below it in the basement. It wasn’t until after I moved out that I realized what it was for.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by todd8 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @08:05AM (#26165855)
Wood ashes also collect in the small chamber in the basement under the chimney. As a child in Michigan, one of my hamsters escaped his confinement. Poor little Pinky couldn't be found in the house, but a couple of days after disappearing my Mom found him in the chamber covered in ashes that had cushioned his fall. (He made a full recovery from his adventure.)
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by rebuilder on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @03:15AM (#26163942)
I think if you're having to worry about makeup air cooling the house down than your fireplace heats it, that's less to do with chimney placement and more with how the fireplace is designed. I.e a gas flame in a fireplace with no appreciable thermal mass and a chimney that pipes the heat straight out is where I'd look to first as a problem.

A massive stone fireplace that's heated with a single load of fuel, then has its chimney flaps closed to keep the heat from escaping, is going to be much more efficient. I wonder if maybe the fireplaces in many parts of the USA are actually designed to not heat the house too much, given the usual weather in e.g. Texas.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by sizzle on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @12:22AM (#26163023)
Is there no CO2 danger from sleeping with gas stove on? Don’t people die from carbon monoxide poisoning from sleeping with open flames?
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by axaxs on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:21AM (#26163329)
No, due to ventilation. Even an indoor fireplace for example is -always- vented, so the gasses can escape via the chimney. If you close the damper with a fire blazing, you'll not have a good time.

Outdoor fires well, are outdoors, so there's plenty of oxygen.

People die nearly every year in the brutal cold from getting desperate and bringing grills and such indoors to light, which is a big no no.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by jacobajit on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @02:51AM (#26163805)
Not all indoor fireplaces are ventilated in the US, actually. (Source: have one unventilated fireplace that is probably mostly for aesthetics and not to be used for extended perios of time)
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by kingnothing on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @03:04PM (#26170952)
Downvoting because this isn't the case in the US at least. It's still legal to install internally vented gas burning fireplaces.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by axaxs on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @04:41PM (#26172177)
AFAIK it's not illegal to run your grill indoors, either. Being legal isn't the same as being a good idea. Ventless fireplaces are also not legal in a lot of places in the US, for good reason.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by kingnothing on Friday February 19, 2021 @01:21PM (#26196137)
Legality is a signal for safety for most people. The natural gas industry, and the manufacturers of indoor gas ovens, stoves, fireplaces, etc all claim that what they sell is safe for indoor use. People have an expectation that the federal government will regulate things which are bad for us. In my opinion, they're failing miserably in this particular area.
Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by trulyme on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:07AM (#26163260)
Nitpick: CO.

Otherwise - no, if there is enough oxygen coming in. When fireplace is done properly it is not a problem.

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by todd8 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @08:11AM (#26165896)
Technically, I believe the problem is the CO concentration and exposure time, not displacement of oxygen. CO binds to hemoglobin more effectively than oxygen, preventing enough oxygen from getting to the body's tissues. CO poisoning is common: 20,000 hospital visits per year in the United States, and in many countries is the most common form of poisoning. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning

Re:What went wrong with the Texas power grid? by dmitriy_ko on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:03AM (#26163241)
carbon monoxide is CO, not CO2.