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Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by vbezhenar on Monday February 15, 2021 @02:29PM (#26146212)
Imagine that data center will ask you to move out because you're helping Parler. Imagine that your bank will ask you to find another bank in a three days and other banks will not want to work with you. When will you give up?

Cancel culture is spreading fast.

Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by adkadskhj on Monday February 15, 2021 @02:47PM (#26146422)
Calling this cancel culture is imo off base. A lot of people view this as an extremist cult bordering on brainwashing and terrorist training.

I fear that there is definitely something brewing in our online habits these days, and it may be significantly damaging to society.

The problem however, is that removing these groups will not inherently solve them. I would support removing of these extremists if i thought it would do good. It however, won't. It will further build the fire of self-victim identification and extremist views which fuel them.

We need another approach at solving this problem. Of which i think is two fold:

1. Groups (both the left and right) struggle to stand up against the undesirable extremists within.

2. Our ingestion of information is not filtered enough by our own brains. We consume freely, and largely due to extremists and bubbles we end up consuming garbage.

All of this said, i feel like attempts at dealing with Parler is vastly different than the "cancel culture" which attempted to rename the https://rubocop.org/ tool. One is a misguided answer to extremists - the other is an attempt at protecting hurt feelings over bad words. Very different.

Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by Vaslo on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:52PM (#26147968)
So conservatives are extremists?
Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by Can_Not on Monday February 15, 2021 @08:22PM (#26149884)
Keep this kind of rhetoric up and you'll end up gaslighting us straight into a real 1984.
Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by adkadskhj on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:03PM (#26148097)
The ones who post racist homophobic and misogynistic memes on Parler? Yes.

If they're not, as your question seems to imply, then "all" conservatives are racist/etc. But i'm not saying that, i'm saying the racist ones are the extremists.

Likewise the people who mean well, but are incorrect, on the left who tried to rename Rubocop are extremists.

Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by retox on Monday February 15, 2021 @08:42PM (#26149988)
Do you honestly believe that someone who posts a misogynistic meme is an extremist or is it hyperbole? I personally would reserve the term for someone who commits violence out of some ideology. I never thought to look before but the first definition from a DDG search says something that would put a very large number of people into that category;

>A person who advocates or resorts to measures beyond the norm, especially in politics.

Someone calling for UBI five years ago could be called an extremist. Though it does need someone to define 'the norm'.

Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by simonh on Monday February 15, 2021 @03:38PM (#26147023)
I agree cancel culture is a pernicious undermining of civil discourse, but this is not cancel culture which is about de-platforming perfectly legal speech.

It’s literally illegal in America to incited and plot murder and insurrection against the government of the USA. Not joking, not boasting, but actually plotting and then executing the plan for real.

There’s a perfectly reasonable argument that while merely disseminating such messages as a platform may not be criminal, that knowingly disseminating or facilitating such discourse while being fully aware of it is reckless and irresponsible. I think if Amazon doesn’t want to behave recklessly and irresponsibly in that way, that’s a reasonable position for them to take.

There’s clearly a cultural blind spot here. If these were Islamic terrorists plotting a repeat of 9/11 nobody here would have any concerns about this.

Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by vineyardmike on Monday February 15, 2021 @03:03PM (#26146623)
Is this really cancel culture or just minimizing legal exposure by hosting and supporting an extremist group that gives protection to people claiming to plan to physically hurt others
Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by stimpson_j_cat on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:26PM (#26148380)
> Imagine that your bank will ask you to find another bank

The First Amendment does not prohibit private entities from limiting speech, we don't have to imagine.

What's your solution to the problem above? The government forcing the bank to retain the customer?

Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by adventured on Monday February 15, 2021 @03:04PM (#26146630)
It's essentially a cultural cancer that is killing the US, making it a widely intolerable place to exist. People have been excusing it for many years now, pretending that it's just extremists being cancelled (and how that's no great loss), however that's not remotely close to true at this point. The US is increasingly becoming oppressive culturally. What's happening is almost the opposite of the 1960s-1970s cultural revolution; the cancel culture mobs today are like the Spanish Inquisition, they're kind of like zealot intellectual prudes (but for their biases, their ideas; traditionally prude refers to being easily shocked about eg nudity or sexuality, but in this case it's triggered SJW types largely regarding matters of intellectual discourse).

Over the span of about the prior 10-12 years in China the authorities there decided to crack down on speech online increasingly. For a time, in the early 10-15 years of the Internet there, China actually had a modicum of loose (not free) speech online, where you had a bit of room to talk about subjects that were close to taboo. That's all gone now and has been for years. That process of erosion, crack down, is what it feels like is happening in the US, merely under a different mechanism; instead of a central government authority implementing the oppression, it's mob platforms like Twitter and Facebook where the platforms openly allow hyper aggressive and concerted attacks to take place as a matter of routine. And even though it's not the government doing it, the effect is similar: they go after your life, your job, your friends, your character, your home, your family, your safety, anything they can.

The only solution is to abandon services like Twitter and Facebook, deplete their power. About 15-20% of my Facebook friends (quite normal people, not extremist types, not privacy advocates, etc.) are abandoned ghost accounts now, deleted, paused, etc. In talking to some of them, they got a taste of the horrible nature of how FB can be used as an attack mob platform, how ugly and or toxic it can be, and they wanted no part of it. Hopefully that process keeps spreading.

This decade we'll see a massive rise of walled encrypted communities, where outsiders will largely be kept out for the safety and health of the community. Outsiders will be treated with intense scrutiny, like we were back to living in tribal times (intellectually we're back to living in tribal times). People will begin to live in intellectual silos online to protect themselves from the attack mobs. They won't be decentralized as techies would hope, they'll still be centralized and hosted in the cloud. Interestingly this process will make the divisions in the US worse, the bubbles will become worse; and it will also be considered a big problem by authorities as extremists will begin very commonly using these walled-off encrypted groups/communities to organize out of sight (Parler / Gab will end up as a public fluke, most of those people will end up in hidden-away silo'd communities as the scrutiny continues to get worse on their bad ideas). Authorities will use this process as another argument to go after encryption.

Now would be a good time to build a new version of a social groups platform. Ning as a concept will end up being a $50-$100 billion product, although not quite as they envisioned the concept (they flubbed the entire thing). You want to lean in to selling to tribal intellectual isolation, intellectual bubbles, bet on that not against it, for that's the direction and there is absolutely nothing that's going to stop it. Public Facebook will shrink, public Twitter will shrink, private isolated social groups will dramatically expand. Whoever makes this easy and safe (encrypted, no data leaks, no hacks, top focus on security), in the cloud in a centralized manner, will win and win very very big.

edit: To the downvoters. I know you don't like it, I understand. That doesn't matter, it's the future regardless and nothing is going to stop it. It's about the most obvious thing, frankly; comparable odds to the sun rising tomorrow. It's almost comical that people think you can stop the expansion of the tribalism, the intellectual bubbles, at this point. It's going to get dramatically worse. There is one clean solution to the attack mobs as the tribalism expands, and that's going to be isolated social groups that are weary of outsiders, encrypted, in the cloud. My advice to anyone that reads this: focus on protecting yourself, your family, your friends, anyone you care about; the US is gone, lost; and as the tribalism expands, as the violence, chaos and mobs expand, you're not going to have energy or time to dedicate to grandiose silly fantasy notions like saving the world or fighting the intellectual & political ocean tides, your thinking will need to get more primitive, more self-interested. I'm not talking about survivalist absurdity, I'm talking about general personal welfare in a time of intense social/cultural strife and unraveling, where people will be increasingly at eachothers throats.

Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by lyssa17 on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @10:27AM (#26154719)
Imagine writing all these words when 14 would do.
Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by chordalkeyboard on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:35PM (#26169821)
Imagine knowing that white supremacists use ‘14 words’ yet being so ignorant that the gp pattern-matches to white supremacism.
Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by trianglem on Monday February 15, 2021 @10:55PM (#26150743)
Good, the system should break down a person willingly cultivating hate. The system is working and should be celebrated.
Re:Parler is back online after a month of downtime by NicoJuicy on Monday February 15, 2021 @02:54PM (#26146512)
Always reminds me of this: https://xkcd.com/1357/