Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by simonebrunozzi on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:14PM
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Might be a dumb question, but: how can this be possibly cheaper than planting trees?
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Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by jsantos511 on Monday February 15, 2021 @02:27PM
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The short answer is that we absolutely need more trees than we currently have, but trees alone won't be able to get us there.
Trees are great at capturing CO2 from the sky, but they suffer from an impermanence issue. Trees capture CO2 for the duration of their lifespan, but when they die, they decompose and release that captured CO2 back into the atmosphere. They also require dedicated use of large swaths of land to get to significant capture amounts.
More info can be found at section 3.2 of this report: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aabf9f
Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by monopoledance on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:05PM
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I don't think this is the complete picture. In an intact old forest, a lot of bio-matter doesn't decompose in time, but rather gets buried in the anaerobic zone. In a healthy forest the first few centimeter soil are so biologically active just about 30cm down there is very little oxygen left to house much life. That's also why murder victims don't decompose very fast, when the murderer buried them deep in forest soil.
Granted this still depends on the forest's life, but it is beyond an individual tree's lifecycle.
Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by ip26 on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:58PM
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I think it's pretty easy to see, though, that restoring the world's forests to their condition circa 1700 will not get us to 1700 CO2 levels, as we have added some 1.5T tons of fossil carbon to the mix since then.
Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by ficklepickle on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @03:30AM
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And a few billion humans, the cause of this mess. It brings me peace to know the world will be fine without us.
Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by pegas1 on Monday February 15, 2021 @02:45PM
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Even better, faster and more efficient than planting trees is increasing organic content of the soil. The soil has higher agricultural quality, can hold much more water and the capture is long-term, as long as the soil quality is kept. And you do not need new acreage, you imrove existing. The problem is: you have to stop using fungicides and herbicides and better pesticides too. At the state of the current ag, this can be done for many many yeas.
Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by DennisP on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:51PM
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Planting trees is great but long-term it won't be enough, just based on land area available. We need to scale up other ways to sequester carbon too.
Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by shafyy on Monday February 15, 2021 @03:49PM
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Keep in mind that planting trees != planting trees. It's much more important to let natural vegetation grow on land than to plant random trees. For that, the most important thing we need to do is to reclaim land. Currently, 45% of land is used for livestock agriculture. You see what I'm getting at :-)
Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by ping_pong on Monday February 15, 2021 @02:14PM
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This is exactly my question as well. There's no way it's cheaper than planting trees and is probably orders of magnitude less efficient. And the plants itself must be producing an enormous amount of waste of pollution itself.
Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by criddell on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:08PM
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> There's no way it's cheaper than planting trees and is probably orders of magnitude less efficient.
Do your cost and efficiency calculation include the opportunity cost of letting land sit "idle"?
Re:Launch HN: Noya (YC W21) – Direct air capture of CO2 usin...
by jjcon on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:49PM
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I would guess because you can actually make money with this capture technique and reduce emissions - planting a tree for the sake of reducing emissions is nice but it doesn’t make money and therefor isn’t a market based solution