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Re:Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to m... by madaxe_again on Friday February 12, 2021 @04:22PM (#26118692)
My wife had terrible acne for years - she tried every product under the sun, visited dermatologists, all of it.

About nine months ago I persuaded her to try absolutely nothing. Just wash her face with mild soap and water when she showers or after exercise. It was a hard sell. A really hard sell. It looked sinfully angry for the first few weeks, and then, bit by bit, started to fade.

Now... her skin is perfect, the scars are subsiding, and she hasn’t had even a hint of acne or so much as a zit in four months.

The crux of my hypothesis was that she was eradicating her skin microbiome over and over, and possibly breeding incredibly resistant bacteria with no competition.

I take a similar approach with oral hygiene - I don’t brush, I don’t use toothpaste or mouthwash, I just use a wooden toothpick to get anything stuck out. I started this in my teens at boarding school, as toothbrushes were often “borrowed” for cleaning rugby boots, and then replaced in the rack. At the time, I figured not brushing was better than god only knows what being rubbed into my gums. I had appalling breath and swollen gums for several months - but both just disappeared after adaptation.

I go to see a dentist every few years, mostly out of a sense of obligation, and have never had a carie, cavity, periodontal disease, or anything - I’m pushing 40. The most they’ve ever done is polish them. By my age my mother had lost half her molars, my father had a gobful of crowns and fillings, so it’s not genetics.

Maybe I’m talking crap, but I think we significantly underestimate our bodies abilities to maintain themselves, and buy into the idea that we require products to keep them working.

Unfortunately, weaning yourself off this stuff usually involves some degree of disruption, be it honking breath, or skin so angry you don’t want to be seen in public.

Re:Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to m... by kart23 on Friday February 12, 2021 @04:49PM (#26118947)
I've heard that some people do indeed have better bacterial biomes than others, some will be fine without brushing or flossing, and others will have problems. Saliva has a large part to play in preventing caries and bad breath, dry mouth can cause a lot of the issues you describe. Also, water fluoridation has made quite a big impact in public dental health. Remember that most people used to lose teeth regularly before the advent of fluoride toothpaste, often very early in their lives. Do you think that these people's teeth were maintaining themselves? Looking at old WW2 videos made me realize this, where many soldiers in their 20s had completely black teeth or massive gaps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation#History

Re:Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to m... by joshspankit on Friday February 12, 2021 @07:41PM (#26120387)
I can’t find the name now, but there was a researcher who looked at crooked teeth and tooth decay in modern society, then started flying around the globe to see if the issue was the same in tribes. Turned out it wasn’t.

What do you have to say to that?

Re:Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to m... by kart23 on Friday February 12, 2021 @08:37PM (#26120675)
I'm not a dentist, but I do know that bacteria feed on sugar and carbohydrates. There's some info that says refined carbs are just as bad as candy. If all you eat is meat, vegetables, and some fruit, you're probably not gonna get as many cavities as a refined grain-based diet with more refined sugar.
Re:Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to m... by anonAndOn on Friday February 12, 2021 @08:26PM (#26120605)
The beasties that make plaque thrive on sugar. Turns out refined sugar and processed foods made with sweeteners like high fructose corn syrup are really hard to come by out in the sticks.
Re:Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to m... by bserge on Friday February 12, 2021 @04:56PM (#26119009)
Yeah, I'd say don't apply that thinking to everything.
Re:Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to m... by da_big_ghey on Friday February 12, 2021 @05:08PM (#26119113)
For what it's worth, I've done the same, but it only worked because I wasn't eating a bunch of sugary garbage. Definitely nobody should try it who eats that sort of stuff even somewhat often.
Re:Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to m... by pengaru on Friday February 12, 2021 @05:30PM (#26119286)
Exactly.

A close friend of mine had horrible dental hygiene, rarely brushing, drank soda and beer as his water, and only went to the dentist after developing intolerable pain something like a decade into this mode.

When he came to work the day after his dentist visit, he said the dentist told him "this is what we call mountain dew mouth" when examining his teeth.

If you don't eat stuff that makes plaque thrive, the consequences of ignoring it are less severe.

Re:Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to m... by accounted on Friday February 12, 2021 @04:49PM (#26118951)
A similar, and perhaps better option: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miswak
Re:Microbial ecosystems in the mouth and gut are linked to m... by titzer on Friday February 12, 2021 @04:59PM (#26119038)
Did you have your wisdom teeth out? Are your teeth straight? That makes a huge difference.