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Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by toyg on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:37AM (#26089657)
The counter-counter-argument is that it's volatile because it's still in its infancy. Gold used to be that volatile too, when wars were commonplace and new sources were found quite often. It can still swing significantly.

I've come around to the idea. I don't hold any bitcoin anymore, and the best chance to get rich is gone, but I can see a future where something digital (hence fundamentally ethereal) acts as dense and largely unregulated store of value, for the people who need it. In the same way the drug trade currently uses artworks and commodities when it needs to move value across national boundaries, they can use hashes or something like that. Transaction costs to convert those from/to cash are actually higher and slower than bitcoin will likely ever be (i.e. a week or two, and several hundrend USDs, will still be acceptable).

We'll never pay taxes or coffees with bitcoin, or hold savings accounts, but it will still act as a commodity.

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by sharedfrog on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:42AM (#26089722)
> the best chance to get rich is gone

The second best time to plant a tree is today.

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by ncallaway on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @10:04AM (#26090058)
Yes, but not always true with investments.

Such a strategy is dangerous when you're looking at a Ponzi scheme, or a pump and dump, or anything else that is designed to leave the late entrants as the bag holders.

I'm not saying that's what Bitcoin is, just that it's dangerous to be a late entrant to an investment and you should be more wary

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by neatze on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:12PM (#26097459)
Gold Market is backed by Governments, bitcoin is not, I doubt it ever will be, and by now it is probably already cornered market.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1869)

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by toyg on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:24PM (#26097518)
Afaik no developed-country government “backs” gold in any meaningful way. There are some reserves here and there, some historical, but they are not directly linked to liquidity. It’s just a market for a commodity that happens to be fairly practical to store value in. Whether governments will start using digital commodities in the same way, is really a political question. I agree that it might be a cornered market, but the fact that forks do seem to happen might well turn out to be the way out of that problem.
Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by neatze on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:38PM (#26097614)
GOV/Central banks still use gold as reserves holding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by toyg on Thursday February 11, 2021 @03:15AM (#26099375)
That’s not “backing”: nobody buys specifically to keep gold prices up or to legitimise the trade, they just use it as a commodity to make their creditworthiness believable and storing their value in a practical way. They are leveraging a pre-existing market, not backing it.

(As a side note, this role for gold is clearly legacy: look at how little gold China stores, compared to their overall reserves.)

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by neatze on Thursday February 11, 2021 @10:29AM (#26102493)
> their creditworthiness believable

this not backing ?

> look at how little gold China stores

by metric tones china is on 6th place in world, what do you mean ?

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by CRConrad on Friday February 12, 2021 @05:44AM (#26112263)
>>[Governments use gold to make] their creditworthiness believable

> this not backing ?

It's the opposite. Originally you said "Gold Market is backed by Governments". This is governments being (partially) backed by gold.

>> look at how little gold China stores

> by metric tones china is on 6th place in world, what do you mean ?

Their economy is the largest in the world. How much smaller are their gold holdings, compared to those in first place?

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by lawn on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @04:24PM (#26095018)
> The counter-counter-argument is that it's volatile because it's still in its infancy.

So you're saying that Bitcoin isn't a store of value, but you speculate that it will be in the future.

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by toyg on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @05:52PM (#26095936)
One can play True Scotsman all day with certain definitions.